What's the deal with this Arizona Immigration law?

[Nitrogen]

The liberal circles I run in are going bonkers about this new law signed in Arizona that allows police to arrest for immigration violations.

What's the truth on how this law works?  At least, what's your understanding on how it works?
What I'm hearing sounds REALLY bad, but I also know how inflammed people get.

[Balog]

If cops stop someone and have reason to suspect they are not citizens (or not here legally) they can ask for proof. Zomg the horror of teh profiling!  I'd imagine your liberal friends are against any attempt to reign in illegal immigration.

[Perd Hapley]

But is it a "papieren, bitte" sort of situation?

[Balog]

But is it a "papieren, bitte" sort of situation?

You mean like when cops stop someone and ask for their driver's license and proof of insurance?

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

So now we all have to carry a passport or birth certificate whenever we leave the house (at least when we're in AZ)? 

[Perd Hapley]

You mean like when cops stop someone and ask for their driver's license and proof of insurance?

OK.  So what happens if the swarthy naturalized citizen with the funny accent doesn't have proof of citizenship?  Is this strictly aimed at drivers, that have to have ID, anyway? 


I'm not arguing against it, I just don't know much about it. 

[Nitrogen]

Well, when you're driving it's different (according to the courts, as driving is a privelege, not a right)
From what I've read (which I am not sure how much I trust) you can be arrested and jailed for not having proof of citizenship on you.  Cops are now REQUIRED to stop people they have a reasonable suspicion of being illegal, and ask.  Ifthey don't have their papers on them, they are to be arrested.

This is what i'm trying to find out is the case, or not.  If this is being blown out of proportion or not

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Yeah, I'm interested to learn exactly how this works.

Can you have your drivers license tagged with your citizenship?

And what are the penalties for being busted for non-citizenship?  Fine?  Jail?  Deportation?  Can a state deport people, or is that something only the Feds can do?

[Nitrogen]

OK here's the details from the gay female liberal Sean Hannity clone:

the bill "requires police officers in Arizona to demand the paperwork of anyone they think looks like he or she might be an illegal immigrant."

"when this bill is enacted, you are presumed to be illegal in the state of Arizona.  Anyone, anywhere in the state of Arizona will be eligible for arrest if a police officer thinks you might be an illegal immigrant and you cant, on the spot, prove otherwise."

"If it turns out you're actually a legal immigrant to this country, but you weren't carrying all of your immigration paperwork with you at the time, that's 6 months in jail for you, and a $500 fine."

"this law says you have to show documentation if a police officer says you look illegal"

[Regolith]

OK here's the details from the gay female liberal Sean Hannity clone:

the bill "requires police officers in Arizona to demand the paperwork of anyone they think looks like he or she might be an illegal immigrant."

"when this bill is enacted, you are presumed to be illegal in the state of Arizona.  Anyone, anywhere in the state of Arizona will be eligible for arrest if a police officer thinks you might be an illegal immigrant and you cant, on the spot, prove otherwise."

"If it turns out you're actually a legal immigrant to this country, but you weren't carrying all of your immigration paperwork with you at the time, that's 6 months in jail for you, and a $500 fine."

"this law says you have to show documentation if a police officer says you look illegal"

From what I understand, the bill mostly clones Federal law (which also requires that aliens have documentation with them at all times).  All it does is allow AZ state police to enforce it.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.htm

[MicroBalrog]

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/24/correction-the-actual-arizona-immigration-bill/

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.
4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

[Jamisjockey]

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/24/correction-the-actual-arizona-immigration-bill/

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.
4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

IMHO, You bolded the wrong part. 

If you get pulled over, and don't have valid documentation, they will be required to pursue your legal status further.
Seems pretty simple and straightforward to me. 

[Sergeant Bob]

Yeah, I'm interested to learn exactly how this works.

Can you have your drivers license tagged with your citizenship?

I don't know about Arizona but, in Michigan you can get an "enhanced" driver's license, using your birth certificate or a passport to verify your citizenship when you apply or renew.

[freakazoid]

From what I understand, the bill mostly clones Federal law (which also requires that aliens have documentation with them at all times).  All it does is allow AZ state police to enforce it.

What about someone who isn't even an immigrant, but because they come from a heavy immigrant area they look and speak like one, and they don't have anything on them?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

and what kinda papers are now needed to go for a walk?

[MicroBalrog]

and what kinda papers are now needed to go for a walk?

But C&SD... we all live in a universe where we all have driver's licenses, right? A total national ID is inevitable anyway, just get with the program.

...actually, I agree with you fully.

[gunsmith]

Liberals are always saying "we want the same health care every other western nation has".
Seems to me that AZ has the same immigration policy every other western nation has.

[sanglant]

i was born in east LA?

[HankB]

Liberals are always saying "we want the same health care every other western nation has". Seems to me that AZ has the same immigration policy every other western nation has.

Not really - I understand Mexico treats illegals along its southern border far more harshly than AZ is proposing.

[MicroBalrog]

Not really - I understand Mexico treats illegals along its southern border far more harshly than AZ is proposing.

Mexico was a Western country now? I mean, it is physically in the West, but that doesn't qualify.

[Perd Hapley]

How would Mexico not qualify as Western? 

[MicroBalrog]

How would Mexico not qualify as Western? 

Not being a fully-industrialized country?

The corruption?

The horrific crime?

The various civil rights abuses?

[Perd Hapley]

On the other hand, they speak a European language, observe Christianity, and have many social and political institutions derived from European sources.  I guess there's no hard and fast rule.  The Wiki article makes some interesting points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

a thread on .us just hit the dumper so i'll ask here.  how do they plan on requiring folks to carry id?  the supreme court ruling and all.  i mean i know they have sheriff joe but can they afford that many lawsuits?