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« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2010, 03:51:49 PM »
I am not so sure that we lose "latinos" by doing the right thing, and I am sure that assuming tribal and ethnic loyalty as our guiding principle is definitely a bad thing.

Agreed. There are plenty of latinos here legally that have been harmed by illegal immigration due to its effect on the job market.  Moreover, the Latinos here legally get sick of being lumped with the largely uneducated lower class latinos that make up the ranks of illegal aliens.   

Not unlike the Chris Rock "I hate n*****s" sentiment. 
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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2010, 06:50:00 PM »
Facts and stats, huh?  Paid for by whom exactly?
well if you read the links above you'd see the one where fact check debunked some of the common "facts?" that get forwarded to me from wnd or prison planet or a certain site that must not be named for fear of godwin. most remarkably they cited some allegations that are supposed to come from cis. even more remarkable they were able to use actual cis stats and info to debunk the claims. there exists a certain demographic (cough alex jones) that  wants to hear a certain world view very badly, and believe it or not they sometimes seem to practice selective hearing and reading. all in order to try to shade reality to fit their world view as opposed to adapting that world view to accommodate reality.   feel free to refute any of the observation stats etc in the links i posted.
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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2010, 07:04:14 PM »
Just out of curiosity, where do you live, CSD?
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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2010, 07:25:04 PM »
about 45 miles south of dc right now. over the years lots of places. though never on the west coast  well unless you count hawaii
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« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2010, 08:58:54 PM »
i'm glad and i welcome the analysis .  its outside my depth i can analyze a business but the larger scale makes my head hurt.
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« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2010, 11:32:34 PM »
Agreed. There are plenty of latinos here legally that have been harmed by illegal immigration due to its effect on the job market.  Moreover, the Latinos here legally get sick of being lumped with the largely uneducated lower class latinos that make up the ranks of illegal aliens.   

Not unlike the Chris Rock "I hate n*****s" sentiment. 

I'll believe that a lot more when they start policing their own group and trying to improve the image.  Much like that "only a small % of Muslims are terrorists" sentiment.  When any group allows a small sect to act out in bad ways, and yet does nothing to clean it up internally to improve their overall image, I don't take any claims of "well they don't represent us" seriously.  For further reading, see the response Bill Cosby got after he came out and said blacks need to start taking education and self reliance seriously.

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« Reply #82 on: May 11, 2010, 01:47:18 AM »
My wife is Mexican (descended of legal immigrants), and hates illegal immigration with a passion. She also has no contact with that community. If she knew any illegals she'd be calling ICE on them. So how, pray tell, is she supposed to help "regulate" the behaviour of the law breakers who happen to have the same skin color as she does?
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« Reply #83 on: May 11, 2010, 03:52:05 AM »
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n any group allows a small sect to act out in bad ways, and yet does nothing to clean it up internally to improve their overall image, I don't take any claims of "well they don't represent us" seriously.

Forget here all the things Muslims actually do to condemn terrorism - the condemnations of it by some of the most respectable religious figures of Sunni Islam, the fact several of the major Muslim countries are constantly shooting/killing/arresting members of AQ and Hamas, and the fact millions of Muslims are quite well 'acclimated' in the West and have nothing to do with 'BEHEAD THE JUICE' folks.

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« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2010, 05:30:24 AM »
RD is making the the same mistake that many politicians do.  Namely, that Hispanics are some monolithic entity that all think the same, have the same socioeconomic background, and the same political views.  Politicians and various special interest groups use the blanket term of Hispanic or Latino to cover lot of ethnicities and nationalities. Then they pretend that they can pigeonhole all of them into one set of political views.

I am descended from Puerto Ricans, Spaniards, and dwellers of the British Isles. Demographically, I'm a Hispanic.  In Arizona, no one would suspect it because of my light skin and red hair. (People form Miami or the Caribbean would be more likely to "spot me" as a Hispanic though.) Most people alive in my family today speak English as their first language, and only about half of us are conversant in Spanish.  We don't run in the same circles as illegal aliens. What are we supposed to do to "regulate our own"?  

I am not some big exception in the "Hispanic" world. There are lots of us with no ties to the illegal world.  Hell, here in Arizona there are plenty of Hispanic families that have been here since before it was a territory, and they have been represented among the pro 1070 people.  
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« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2010, 05:53:13 AM »
If you tell someone who has nothing but the clothes on their back that you will give them a house, free food, and free education for their kids if they only vote for you, that person will say yes.  Tell it to 12 million people, and 12 million people will say yes.  

What are you supposed to do?  Well you are in a unique position where you can go to rallies or political events if you choose and oppose the dependency-for-votes cycle and not automatically be called a racist.  And that's another reason why the Left is so fond of open borders and bloated social programs.  They have convinced most minorities that Republican=White Racist.  You look at these Reconquista rallies and all the protests whenever there is some new legislation that cracks down on illegal immigration, and without fail it is spearheaded by Leftists organizers telling Hispanics that white conservatives are racist and just want to take away all the free goodies the Democrats give them.  I'm glad you're here legally and consider yourself American.  I, and conservatives, are not the ones who like breaking people into groups and pitting them against each other for votes.  To me, you're just another self-sufficient American.  You say that I makes the mistake of thinking of Hispanics as some monolithic entity?  That is not the case.  I am talking about illegals.  Hispanics who are American legally as well as in mind and heart like you are NOT what I am talking about.  I am talking about people who come here because they have been told that there is a whole bunch of free programs and services they can take advantage of without actually having to "become American".  And when the time for amnesty comes, which it will, they are going to vote for the guys who are the best and giving away "free" stuff at the public's expense, the Democrats.

If you make someone dependent on your for their very livelihood, you got em.

In addition, look at the how blacks tend to vote.  Almost entirely Democrat.  Why?  Because the Democrats played a 2-part game, and they played it well.  They addicted the lower class blacks to the drug of Public assistance.  And then they told the rest of the blacks that the White Republicans are racist and want to take away the generous and benevolent care the kind Democrats are giving their black brothers and sisters.  Just look at California.  A lot of blacks are actually conservative in belief, more than one would think.  It was mainly the blacks turning out to vote that allowed the Californian ban on gay marriage to pass a few years back.  Yet when voting for candidates? Democrats every time.  Over the decades and generations, blacks have been tricked into thinking they need social programs to live.  Of course they don't really, but once you give someone a cart full of free stuff, it's a hard thing to pass up in the future.  Combined with a skillful campaign that the Left has waged for 50 years to convince minorities that Republican=White Racist, they have the black vote in their pocket, even if many blacks actually have a lot of conservative beliefs.

And now the Democrats are playing the same tried and true game with illegals.  Addict them to free social services, and tell them Republicans are racists who want to take the goodies away.
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« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2010, 11:08:12 AM »
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Well you are in a unique position where you can go to rallies or political events if you choose and oppose the dependency-for-votes cycle and not automatically be called a racist.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

You've never actually seen a conservative black or Mexican stand against welfare or illegal immigration, have you? Although I suppse "race traitor" might be more in line with the common reaction.
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« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2010, 12:06:11 PM »
The enemy is tribalism.  Seeing individuals not as individuals but as members of a racial or ethnic or otherwise protected group as sanctioned by the State.  That concept of de-individualization needs to be openly and publicly derided every chance we get.  It is the protein of the Left.
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« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2010, 12:23:47 PM »
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there exists a certain demographic (cough alex jones) that  wants to hear a certain world view very badly, and believe it or not they sometimes seem to practice selective hearing and reading. all in order to try to shade reality to fit their world view as opposed to adapting that world view to accommodate reality.

It sounds a lot like how anti-gunners behave. Even padding the statistics with things to make it seem worse than it actually is, such as adding suicides to how many deaths guns cause.
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« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2010, 12:29:14 PM »
very similar  even to the reluctance to loom at that which threatens that world view.  and to the similar tendency to get carried away and use stats that are easily proven false or to misquote another study from an allied group.  and the made up "facts take on a life of their own. you end up with curious linkages too. fols will quote something that was on a "respectable " site only to find out the "journalism" came from stormfront
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« Reply #90 on: May 11, 2010, 12:31:07 PM »
The enemy is tribalism.  Seeing individuals not as individuals but as members of a racial or ethnic or otherwise protected group as sanctioned by the State.  That concept of de-individualization needs to be openly and publicly derided every chance we get.  It is the protein of the Left.

only the left? >:D
the irony here is special :facepalm: :facepalm:
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« Reply #91 on: May 11, 2010, 12:59:49 PM »
Did I say only the Left?

No, I didn't.  But the Left's made an open religion of it with "diversity," "mutliculturalism," "affirmative action," and "disparate impact."

The Constitution isn't built to defend tribes and clans.
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« Reply #92 on: May 11, 2010, 01:19:52 PM »
The Constitution isn't built to defend tribes and clans.  am i mistaken in thinking you want it to defend yours?  not the latinos?
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« Reply #93 on: May 11, 2010, 01:34:16 PM »
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If you tell someone who has nothing but the clothes on their back that you will give them a house, free food, and free education for their kids if they only vote for you, that person will say yes.  Tell it to 12 million people, and 12 million people will say yes.

Well, I guess we shouldn't let illegal aliens register to vote.  To register in AZ, you have to prove citizenship.  (This law was denounced as racist and Xenophobic too.)   :facepalm:

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What are you supposed to do?  Well you are in a unique position where you can go to rallies or political events if you choose and oppose the dependency-for-votes cycle and not automatically be called a racist.

As I mentioned, around here, because of my appearance, it would just be assumed that I am a racist anyway.  

Your contention that "they don't police their own" is misinformed.  

You are making a big assumption that there aren't people of all backgrounds in favor of 1070. The local news here have had man on the street interviews with plenty of obviously hispanic individuals that are in favor.  Of course, this doesn't make it to the national news outlets, because that would be counter to the predetermined narrative that 1070 is a racist xenophobic law rammed through the legislature to appease AZ rednecks.  The reality is that citizens of all nationalities don't want to live in a state that has a city with the world's second largest number of kidnappings, the country's second highest incidence of identity theft, and where shootouts between factions of illegals happen on a daily basis.

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I am talking about people who come here because they have been told that there is a whole bunch of free programs and services they can take advantage of without actually having to "become American".  And when the time for amnesty comes, which it will, they are going to vote for the guys who are the best and giving away "free" stuff at the public's expense, the Democrats.

Well, then we need to fight against amnesty. There will be plenty of legal immigrants against it.  BTW, there are plenty of hispanics in our country legally that abhor welfare and socialism because they come from countries where that experiment didn't work. Many of these people hate the welfare state more than you could imagine.  

Your characterization of blacks is also painted with an overly broad brush. According to many political scientists, GWB was able get elected and re-elected by engaging blacks and jews on issues that some of them cared about more than social programs or perceptions of racism.  By engaging these groups on socially conservatives issues, he was able to peel off enough votes from the democratic party to pull off a win.  This was in direct opposition the the GOP conventional wisdom that you are spouting that "Blacks will only vote for D's because they want their welfare."  

As longeyes said, tribalism is the enemy.  It allows demagogues and charlatans to hijack the political process. It ignores the fact that individuals each can have their own individual political outlook.  
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« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2010, 01:43:45 PM »
The Constitution isn't built to defend tribes and clans.  am i mistaken in thinking you want it to defend yours?  bot the latinos?

I would like the US government to help defend US citizens and its border.  
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« Reply #95 on: May 11, 2010, 02:03:00 PM »
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But the Left's made an open religion of it with "diversity," "mutliculturalism,"

Culture bad, grrrr.
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« Reply #96 on: May 11, 2010, 02:08:38 PM »
no, people coming to America to rebuild the cesspool they just left. BAD!

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Yellow Peril (sometimes Yellow Terror) was a color metaphor for race that originated in the late nineteenth century with immigration  of Chinese  laborers to various Western countries, notably the United States, and later associated with the Japanese during the mid 20th century, due to Japanese military expansion. The term refers to the skin color of East Asians, and the belief that the mass immigration of Asians threatened white wages and standards of living.

Many sources credit Kaiser Wilhelm II with coining the phrase "Yellow Peril" (German: gelbe Gefahr) in September 1895. The Kaiser had a portrait of this title - depicting the Archangel Michael and an allegorial Germany leading a charge against an Asiatic threat represented by a golden Buddha - hung in all ships of the Hamburg America Line. It was ostensibly painted by the Kaiser himself.[1]

In 1898, the British writer M. P. Shiel published a short story serial entitled The Empress of the Earth. The later novel edition was named The Yellow Danger. Shiel's novel centers on the murder of two German missionaries in Kiau-Tschou in 1897 and features the Chinese villain, Dr. Yen How.

The phrase "yellow peril" was common in the U.S. newspapers owned by William Randolph Hearst[2]. It was also the title of a popular book by an influential U.S. religious figure, G.G. Rupert, who published The Yellow Peril; or, Orient vs. Occident in 1911. Based on the phrase "the kings from the East" in the Christian scriptural verse Revelation 16:12,[3] Rupert, who believed in the doctrine of British Israelism, claimed that China, India, Japan and Korea were attacking England and the U.S., but that Jesus Christ would stop them.[4]

"Pulp magazines in the 30s had a lot of yellow peril characters loosely based on Fu Manchu," says William F. Wu, a pioneer in Asian science fiction writing in the U.S. "Most were of Chinese descent, but because of the geopolitics at the time, a growing number of people were seeing Japan as a threat, too."

In his 1982 book The Yellow Peril: Chinese Americans in American fiction, 1850-1940, Wu theorizes that the fear of Asians dates back to Mongol invasion in the Middle Ages during the Mongol Empire. "The Europeans believed that Mongols were invading en masse, but actually, they were just on horseback and riding really fast," he writes. Most Europeans had never seen an Asian before, and the harsh contrast in language and physical appearance probably caused more skepticism than transcontinental immigrants did. "I think the way they looked had a lot to do with the paranoia," Wu says.[5]
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Catholics and Protestants kept their distance; intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants was uncommon, and strongly discouraged by both ministers and priests.[44]

Public schools used the King James Version of the Bible, which Catholics were forbidden to read.[45] One response was the creation of a Catholic parochial school system. These elementary and high schools as well as numerous Catholic colleges, allowed Irish youth to be educated without contact with public school teachers or students.

Prejudice against Irish Catholics in the US reached a peak in the mid-1850s with the Know Nothing Movement, which tried to oust Catholics from public office. The image was widespread of Irish drinking, fighting, ignoring their children, gambling, and crowding poorhouses.
New York Times want ad 1854–the only New York Times ad with NINA for men.

After 1860—and well into the 20th century—the Irish believed that Protestants refused to hire them, and claimed that "HELP WANTED - NO IRISH NEED APPLY" was in operation. They called these "the NINA signs." NINA signs were common in London in the early 1800s, and the memory of this discrimination in Britain was imported to the US. After 1860 the Irish sang songs (see illustration) about NINA signs, and these songs have had a deep impact on the Irish sense of discrimination. One NINA notice has been found in US history—the one shown in the New York Times ad of 1854, leading some historians to argue that actual job discrimination was minimal.[43]

Many Irish work gangs were hired by contractors to build canals, railroads, city streets and sewers across the country. In the South they underbid slave labor. One result was that small cities that served as railroad centers came to have large Irish populations.
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Irish Catholics were popular targets for stereotyping in the 19th century. According to historian George Potter, the media often stereotyped the Irish in America as being boss-controlled, violent (both among themselves and with those of other ethnic groups), voting illegally, prone to alcoholism, and dependent on street gangs that were often violent or criminal. Potter quotes contemporary newspaper images:

    You will scarcely ever find an Irishman dabbling in counterfeit money, or breaking into houses, or swindling; but if there is any fighting to be done, he is very apt to have a hand in it." Even though Pat might "'meet with a friend and for love knock him down,'" noted a Montreal paper, the fighting usually resulted from a sudden excitement, allowing there was "but little 'malice prepense' in his whole composition." The Catholic Telegraph of Cincinnati in 1853, saying that the "name of 'Irish' has become identified in the minds of many, with almost every species of outlawry," distinguished the Irish vices as "not of a deep malignant nature," arising rather from the "transient burst of undisciplined passion," like "drunk, disorderly, fighting, etc., not like robbery, cheating, swindling, counterfeiting, slandering, calumniating, blasphemy, using obscene language, &c.[46]

The Irish had many humorists of their own, but were scathingly attacked in German American cartoons, especially those in Puck magazine from the 1870s to 1900. In addition, the cartoons of German American Thomas Nast were especially hostile; for example, he depicted the Irish-dominated Tammany Hall machine in New York City as a ferocious tige
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