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Ok, wonderous ones...
« on: May 20, 2010, 06:39:37 PM »
grammar question. If'n I was gonna say come up with a title like "The Guitar Lover's Sampler" is the apostrophe in the right spot? Does it need on at all? I think what I have is right but another doth question it so I putteth it to the panel.

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2010, 06:44:59 PM »
Meh.

When in doubt, you can go this route:

A Sampler for the Guitar Lover
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 06:47:39 PM »
nah, I trying to make it similar to a "Meat Lovers Pizza" like you get at Pizza Hut. That pesky apostrophe is messin' with my head now though.  [tinfoil]
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 06:49:30 PM »
"Lover's sampler" would be a sampler for a single guitar lover.
"Lovers' sampler" would be a sampler for guitar lovers.

Either way you do need an apostrophe.
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 06:51:20 PM »
nah, I trying to make it similar to a "Meat Lovers Pizza" like you get at Pizza Hut. That pesky apostrophe is messin' with my head now though.  [tinfoil]

http://www.pizzahut.com/Pizza.aspx

Straight from the horse's, er, something:

Meat Lover's Pizza.

Guitar Lover's Sampler.

Disagree with BP.

Lover's Sampler would be a sampler for a lover.
Lovers' Sampler would be one singular sampler to be owned by many lovers.  Eww.

Guitar Lover's Sampler.
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2010, 06:53:42 PM »
The Guitar Lover's Sampler

Especially with the "The" in the title which certainly implies that the sampler is for individual guitar lovers (at least at a time... bow-chicka-bow-wow).
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2010, 06:55:11 PM »
Now, why wasn't I smart enough to go to PH myself and look?  ;/  

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2010, 07:18:43 PM »
Either would be correct. The sampler could be perused by any number of guitar lovers.
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2010, 08:10:44 PM »
Right, so really it's a matter of my preference, which leans towards pizza.  =D

Originally the cover was going to feature the singer girl dressed as a waitress and holding out a pizza with guitars jumbled on it like they're a topping. She was a pizza waitress part time when I met her and I'd already had the idea so it was like, "Wow man, karma or something like that." But then the playlist went and got all romantic so now I'm going with her dressed in whatever she happens to decide to show up in holding us out a heart shaped box of mixed chocolates. Meanwhile I'm sitting on the pizza idea for another day. There's rumors of a blues guitar sampler down the pike and a classical / probably no vocals too. The pizza might work for the blues one.  ;)

My problem is, girl singer wants to rock. She's good at it too but she has such a gorgeous voice for the smooth jazzy stuff and she's still developing. I would love to put her with a good coach but that's touchy stuff right there. I've got my tracks for this one so I'm going to bide my time and try to sidle her gently over onto the blues CD when the time comes.
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 05:42:19 AM »
You know, I had it that way then thought it looked like it needed an "e".  :lol:
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 07:22:08 AM »
alert the style police:

POSSESSIVES
1.   Nouns: Possessives of singular nouns, even if ending with an s or z sound, are usually formed with 's. If a triple sibilant in consecutive syllables or a difficult pronunciation results, an apostrophe alone may be added. Regularly formed plurals add apostrophe only; irregularly formed plurals add 's to the plural.
 
    Common nouns   Proper nouns
    
   
boy's, boys'
man's, men's
wife's, wives'
fox's, foxes'
waitress's, waitresses'
species'      Mars's
Paris's
Mount St. Helens's
Dickens's
Athens's
Keats's, the Keatses'
Charles's, the Charleses'
Chris Johns's   Jesus'
Moses'
Texas'
United States'
Kansas'
Augustus'
New Orleans'
 
A conventional exception applies to singular common nouns that end in an s or an s sound and are followed by a word that begins with s: appearance' sake, conscience' sake, goodness' sake.
 
2.   Nouns with silent endings add 's:
    Malraux's
Arkansas's
Des Moines's   King Louis's
Peace Corps's
St. Tropez's   St. Croix's
Iroquois's   Rabelais's
Descartes's
 
3.   Classical and hellenized names of more than one syllable that end with an unaccented syllable pronounced eez traditionally take only the apostrophe:
    Achilles'
Themistocles'
Euripides'   Archimedes'
Pericles'
Hercules'   Ramses'
Demosthenes'
Socrates'   Ulysses'
Xerxes'
 
4.   Italicized terms add italic apostrophe and roman s:
    Yellow Rose's hull   the Winnie May's engine   Time's article
 
5.   Compounds add the possessive ending to the final element:
    Lord and Taylor's
Alf the Magician's   John and Mary's house (joint possession)
But John's and Bob's houses (individual possession)
 
6.   Other punctuation with possessive: The second comma setting off an apposition such as Jr. or D.C. may be dropped from the possessive. A quoted phrase cannot be made possessive; recast such a phrase.
    Joseph M. Blanton, Jr.'s memo    Washington, D.C.'s Anacostia River
 
7.   Pronouns: Personal pronouns do not take the apostrophe: hers, its, theirs. Other pronouns have regular possessives: other's, others', but each other's, one another's.
 
8.   Measures: Use an apostrophe in such expressions as an hour's work, eight hours' labor, a million dollars' worth, a month's wages.
   
 
9.   False possessives: The apostrophe generally should not be used after a word that is more descriptive than possessive, except for a plural not ending in s: Explorers Hall, Diners Club, the Department of Veterans Affairs, teachers college but teacher's guide, St. Elizabeths Hospital, Teamsters Union, visitors center, children's hospital. But the Ladies' Home Journal, the National Governors' Association.
 
10.   Double possessives: For clarity both of and the possessive form are often used when referring to something belonging to a person (or sometimes an animal):
This dream of Nelson Mandela's (means Mandela has the dream)
This dream of Nelson Mandela (means Mandela is the subject of the dream)
Even when there is no ambiguity, the double possessive is idiomatic and correct:
A friend of Nancie's
A friend of mine

 
11.   Singular noun with plural possessive: A singular noun can be used with a plural possessive for abstract qualities and figurative words: Four pilots crashed to their death, but four pilots ran to their cars; the men earned their living; the spectators held their breath; the depositors' curiosity was piqued; they kept their honor.
 
12.   Plural of a phrase containing a possessive: The plural is formed by adding s to the second word: master's degrees, debtor's prisons, ship's bells, lady's maids.
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2010, 07:35:03 AM »
But, but.... what about "its," which is its own possessive and don't need no apostrophe nohow?  Never mind.  Saw its explanation in point 7.

But I double-blinked at:

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2.   Nouns with silent endings add 's:
Malraux's
Arkansas's
Des Moines's   King Louis's
Peace Corps's
St. Tropez's   St. Croix's
Iroquois's   Rabelais's
Descartes's

From which style manual did you get that?  I'd truncate the "s" on each of those.  (Not challenging, it's just that some of them "look wierd" and would produce an interruption in the reader's flow of comprehension.)

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2010, 08:32:10 AM »
thats the Natty Geo manual
"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances! He does not wear the "Hello, my name is.." badge!
He strikes from below like a viper or on high like a penny dropped from the tallest building around!
He only has one purpose--Do bad things to good people! Mit science! What good is science if no one gets hurt?!"

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2010, 08:48:55 AM »
That's awesome.     =)

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the Keatses'
The Keet'-sehs-zizz?  :O  :laugh:
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2010, 04:19:45 PM »
What about the Orbitz commercial where he walks up and says "The Hernandez...es?".  Anyone but me notice that the "...es" at the end was quickly and quitely edited..ed out?

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2010, 04:31:08 PM »
And then there are funky plurals:

Courts Martial
Attorneys General
Whoppers Junior
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2010, 05:52:11 PM »
Parents-in-law
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I can free-associate atypical plurals.  =D

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2010, 12:19:03 AM »
grammar question. If'n I was gonna say come up with a title like "The Guitar Lover's Sampler" is the apostrophe in the right spot? Does it need on at all? I think what I have is right but another doth question it so I putteth it to the panel.

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Yes it needs the apostrophe, to indicate the possessive. If you intend to indicate ONE (singular) guitar lover, it is correct as written. If you are trying to convey "The sampler for lovers {plural} of guitars," it would be:

"The Guitar Lovers' Sampler."
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2010, 07:10:16 AM »
Aw the hell with it. I need a new title...  :laugh:
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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2010, 08:06:25 AM »
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WHATEVER YOUR DEFINITION OF "INFRINGE " IS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

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Re: Ok, wonderous ones...
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2010, 09:42:55 AM »
Aw the hell with it. I need a new title...  :laugh:

"The Git Fiddle Sampler"?
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2010, 11:05:10 AM »
There you go!   :cool:

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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 11:09:11 AM »
So I'm working on the credits, this is the actual format for the cover so spacing and all counts. Anybody see any obvious errors? :

    Vocals by Rickie

1. Temptation (Waits 1987)
     Tim Mcdonald - Guitar / Bass
     Tim Mcdonald - Producer

2. Misty (Garner/Burke 1954)
    George Baker - Guitar
    Tony Dioguardi - Bass
    George Baker - Producer

3. I Just Want to Make Love to You (Dixon 1954)
   Jeff Pevar - Guitar / Bass
   Jeff Pevar - Producer

4. Summertime (Gershwin/Heyward 1935)
    Gene Bertoncini - Guitar
    Frank Vignola - Producer

5. Georgia On My Mind (Carmichael/Gorrel 1930)
    Frank Vignola - Guitar
    Frank Vignola - Producer

6. Why Don't You Do Right? (McCoy 1936)
    Vinny Raniolo - Guitar
    Gary Mazzaroppi - Bass
    Frank Vignola - Producer

7. The Thrill Is Gone (Darnell/Hawkins 1951)
    Tony Dioguardi - Guitar
    David Livolsi - Bass
    Tony Dioguardi/David Livolsi - Co-Producers

8. One for My Baby (and One More for the Road) (Arlen/Mercer 1943)
    Ed Laub - Guitar
    Gary Mazzaroppi - Bass
    Ed Laub/Gary Mazzaroppi - Co-Producers

9. Cry Me a River (Hamilton 1953)
   Jon Herington - Guitar
   Jeff Pevar - Bass
   Jon Herington - Producer

10.(Get Your Kicks On) Route 66 (Troup 1946)
     Bucky Pizzarelli - Guitar
     Gary Mazzaroppi - Bass
     Frank Vignola - Producer
     
     
 
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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 11:14:31 AM »
More, if anyone has any ideas on how I might condense this further I'm all ears:

All arrangements by the artists.

Tracks - 4, 5, 6, 8 & 10 recorded and mixed by Bennett Studios, Englewood, NJ
Dae Bennett / Johnnie Truesdale - Engineers

Tracks - 1 & 2 recorded and mixed by Bold Music Studios, Manchester, CT
John Bolduc - Engineer

Tracks - 3, 7 & 9 vocal recordings and mix by Bold Music Studios
John Bolduc - Engineer

Track - 3 instrumental tracks recorded by Pet Peev Productions
Jeff Pevar - Engineer

Track - 7 instrumental tracks recorded by Music-Liv Studios
David Livolsi - Engineer

Track - 9 guitar tracks recorded by Biff and Chip's Loft Studios, NYC
Jon Herington - Engineer
 
Track - 9 bass tracks recorded by Pet Peev Productions
Jeff Pevar - Engineer

Mastered by Bold Music Studios
John Bolduc - Engineer
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