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Sharia law in Dearborn?! sure looks like it to me
« on: June 24, 2010, 04:02:31 PM »
http://www.thomasmore.org/default-sb_thomasmore.html?969915640

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TMLC Represents Four Christian Missionaries Arrested at Arab Festival

ANN ARBOR, MI – In what some have described as police enforcement of Sharia law at the annual Dearborn Arab International Festival, last Friday night Dearborn Police Officers arrested four Christian missionaries and illegally confiscated their video cameras which were recording the events surrounding their arrests.  The Thomas More Law Center, a public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, today announced it is representing all of the Christian missionaries....


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Four Christians arrested outside Arab festival
   

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DEARBORN, Mich. — Four Christians were arrested for disorderly conduct outside the Dearborn Arab International Festival while handing out copies of the Gospel of John in English and Arabic.

Arrested were Negeen Mayel, Dr. Nabeel Qureshi, Paul Rezkalla, and David Wood. Mayel, an eighteen-year-old female, whose parents emigrated from Afghanistan and a recent convert from Islam to Christianity, was also charged with failure to obey a police officer’s orders.

According to a press release from Thomas More Law Center, Mayel was approximately 100 feet away and videotaping a discussion with some Muslims when her camera was seized.

Dr. Nabeel Qureshi is a former Muslim who converted to Christianity. He holds an MD from Eastern Virginia Medical School and an MA in Christian apologetics from Biola University.

The Thomas More Law Center announced June 22 that it would be representing all four of the Christian missionaries.

“These Christian missionaries were exercising their Constitutional rights to free speech and the free exercise of religion, but apparently the Constitution carries little weight in Dearborn, where the Muslim population seems to dominate the political apparatus,” said Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center.

Thompson stated that the Constitution does not allow police to ban the right of free speech just because there are those to disagree.

“It’s apparent that these arrests were a retaliatory action over the embarrassing video of the strong arm tactics used last year by Festival Security Guards,” Thompson said. “This time, the first thing police officers did before making the arrests was to confiscate the video cameras in order to prevent a recording of what was actually happening.”

Distributing religious material or witnessing at the festival has been a matter of dispute for several years. The missionaries, who are free on bond, said that they only spoke with people who wanted to speak with them and were told that they could not hand out anything within five blocks of the Arab festival.

Meanwhile, in a separate case, a federal appeals court has ruled that another missionary, Pastor George Saieg, can distribute information on the festival's perimeter.

The ruling came after a June 7 decision by Federal District Court Judge Paul D. Borman, that upheld the Dearborn's policy of barring the distribution of religious material near the event.

Saieg, founder of Arabic Christian Perspectives, said that they have passed out Christian literature at the Dearborn festival for many years without any incidents prior to the restriction.

The appeals court stated that “the loss of a First Amendment right, ‘for even minimal periods of time, unquestionable constitutes irreparable injury.’”

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Re: Sharia law in Dearborn?! sure looks like it to me
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 04:04:37 PM »
The Detroit Free Press reports that four Christian missionaries who were trying to share the Good News of Christ to Muslims were arrested and jailed Friday for disorderly conduct at the Arab Festival in Dearborn.
The police chief confirmed that four arrests were made, saying “They did cause a stir.” The four, who are part of a Christian group called Acts 17 Apologetics, were released on bail.
According to eyewitnesses, the four were handing out a booklet containing the gospel of John on the festival grounds — which were primarily tents and booths set up on the public streets of Dearborn. The would-be evangelists were surrounded by green-shirted security personnel hired by the Festival, who taunted the four and gave shouts of “Allahu Akbar” when they were arrested.
Prior to the festival (attended predominantly by Muslim Arab-Americans), a U.S. district judge in Dearborn issued a ban on groups distributing literature on sidewalks and local officials required a five-block distance for anyone wanting to distribute literature. The four were within the festival grounds.
David Wood, one of the four arrested, has said, “There are certain elements of Sharia law being adhered to in Dearborn.” The four now have legal representation.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2010, 04:12:08 PM »
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“These Christian missionaries were exercising their Constitutional rights to free speech and the free exercise of religion, but apparently the Constitution carries little weight in Dearborn, where the Muslim population seems to dominate the political apparatus,” said Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2010, 04:13:35 PM »
they were inside the 5 block area the court had set.  bad missionaries! :police:     [popcorn]
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Re: Sharia law in Dearborn?! sure looks like it to me
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2010, 04:14:10 PM »
Whether or not it was wrong to arrest these people and confiscate their cameras, it's an awful stretch to call that "Sharia law" being enforced.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2010, 04:17:41 PM »
Whether or not it was wrong to arrest these people and confiscate their cameras, it's an awful stretch to call that "Sharia law" being enforced.

Yeah, the 18 y/o girl probably wouldn't be alive right now if this was actual Sharia...
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 04:21:51 PM »
they were inside the 5 block area the court had set.  bad missionaries! :police:     [popcorn]

I never heard of a five block area, can you elaborate? what court?
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 04:22:33 PM »
alright, hyperbole I guess- sorry!
http://blog.eyeblast.tv/2010/06/sharia-law-four-christians-arrested-for-passing-out-gospel-outside-arab-festival/

It's not full application of Sharia law.

It is against Sharia to proselytize (for a faith other than Islam.) How is this a stretch when four Christians get arrested for proselytizing?
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 04:27:01 PM »
Yeah, the 18 y/o girl probably wouldn't be alive right now if this was actual Sharia...

Sharia lite? incremental Sharia? lo cal Sharia? non fattening Sharia?
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 04:31:04 PM »
they were inside the 5 block area the court had set.  bad missionaries! :police:     [popcorn]
Meanwhile, in a separate case, a federal appeals court has ruled that another missionary, Pastor George Saieg, can distribute information on the festival's perimeter.

The ruling came after a June 7 decision by Federal District Court Judge Paul D. Borman, that upheld the Dearborn's policy of barring the distribution of religious material near the event.
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Yeah, the 18 y/o girl probably wouldn't be alive right now if this was actual Sharia...

Sharia lite? incremental Sharia? lo cal Sharia? non fattening Sharia?

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2010, 04:40:24 PM »
It's not full application of Sharia law.

It is against Sharia to proselytize (for a faith other than Islam.) How is this a stretch when four Christians get arrested for proselytizing?

They were arrested for disorderly conduct. It might be over zealous cops anxious to keep the notoriously riot happy Muslim community from getting upset at the infidels, it might be over zealous missionaries causing a ruckus. Can't really tell from the story, so I'll withhold my outrage for the moment.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2010, 04:50:39 PM »
ok, its cleared up a little, the 5 block ( or rather FIVE FREAKING BLOCKS!! )
was ruled un constitutional after the fest was already over.


DUH!!!


A clear violation of the first amendment, the cops should be fired ( imho ) for even thinking it was ok to enforce that rule.
Free speech is a basic human right, if those cops enforce a basic violation of the Constitution they're sworn to upheld, what else would they enforce? slavery? genital mutilation? rape? murder?

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2010, 06:05:09 PM »
ok, its cleared up a little, the 5 block ( or rather FIVE FREAKING BLOCKS!! )
was ruled un constitutional after the fest was already over.


DUH!!!


A clear violation of the first amendment, the cops should be fired ( imho ) for even thinking it was ok to enforce that rule.
Free speech is a basic human right, if those cops enforce a basic violation of the Constitution they're sworn to upheld, what else would they enforce? slavery? genital mutilation? rape? murder?




Um....is your post meant to be rhetorical?   :police:

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2010, 09:35:51 PM »
And what good thing would occur if some muslim proselytizers showed up at some backwoods pentecostal or methodist tent revival? Who knows, may have already happened and there was no one left to file a report.

The troublemakers wanted to start trouble and they succeeded. Hardly news. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2010, 10:06:53 PM »
And what good thing would occur if some muslim proselytizers showed up at some backwoods pentecostal or methodist tent revival? Who knows, may have already happened and there was no one left to file a report.

The troublemakers wanted to start trouble and they succeeded. Hardly news. 

OH that's rich! c'mon!! if Muslims can march into NYC and open a mosque at ground zero and announce that it will open on sept 11,2011 then you can be sure nothing would happen to evangelical Muslims anywhere in the USA.

what bunk!
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2010, 10:49:19 PM »
I think I've got this straightened out.

Christians that proselytize (peacefully)  at or near an Islamic fest = Bad

"Christians"  that protest a serviceman's funeral in an inflammatory way = Good, and their right to be aholes absolutely covered by the 1st Amendment, backed up by local LEO.

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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2010, 11:22:13 PM »
And what good thing would occur if some muslim proselytizers showed up at some backwoods pentecostal or methodist tent revival? Who knows, may have already happened and there was no one left to file a report.

The troublemakers wanted to start trouble and they succeeded. Hardly news. 

Also, this was not a religious event, it was an "Arabic festival" and Christians of middle eastern decent showed up,  you did know that there are Christians in the middle east, right? some of them are Arabic, some are Jordanian and even Pakistani/Afghani.

I know a gal, really nice gal- guess what??!! She is Persian and a devout Christian!! OMG!!! call the Dearborn PD [barf] :facepalm:
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2010, 11:25:23 PM »
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Ahhhh, but therein lays an issue here since you pulled yourself into a problem. This was not a "Muslim" festival. It is an Arab festival, right? So if Arab Christians cannot have free speech in the USA to hand out pamphlets and information at an Arab festival, where can they? Hmmmm. It's a bit of a conundrum, eh? Oh - because they are Christian you think that is a problem that deserved them being silenced - but then no issue with Islamic Arabs evangelizing going on at the same Arab festival? Kind of confusing the issue? Or is COTUS pretty clear about this?

Let me tell you 2 things from my own experience knowing some Christian Arabs. First, they are a distinct minority and have had to learn from early on to "hide" themselves about their faith inside their own ethnic communities - even in the USA. They are ostracized and rejected or will be confronted with intimidation by fellow Arab muslims if they do so. The other point to that is that Muslim Arabs have resources to large amounts of funds, and they are more organized, having been leading the general impression via their lobbying to most people that somehow Arabic people are monolithic in thoughts and faith.
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Re: Sharia law in Dearborn?! sure looks like it to me
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2010, 11:29:20 PM »
OH that's rich! c'mon!! if Muslims can march into NYC and open a mosque at ground zero and announce that it will open on sept 11,2011

Ya know, none of that's true.

The Islamic Center is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero.  It's not hallowed ground.  There's probably 300-400 business in that radius.  They're taking over an abandoned BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY for crying out loud.  And there's a nudie bar like 200 yards from it just around the corner. 

And the only thing I've ever seen with 9/11/2011 from somebody involved in the project is they said they hoped to have STARTED construction by that date when asked.

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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2010, 11:37:49 PM »
I don't even want to get into it, for reasons that are probably obvious, but I do gotta say Dearborn is kind of a hilarious joke on racists generally.

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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2010, 11:46:12 PM »
I'm a real new yorker, born in Manhattan and two blocks might as well be on top of Ground Zero, it is an evil affront to the thousands who died.

I tried to verify ( here ) that it was opening on 9/11/2011 and I believed my fellow
APS'ers  when they said it was.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=24696.0

As far as I'm concerned everywhere below Canal Street is a freaking Cemetery, the ashes of innocents killed by bloodthirsty cowards are spread all over lower Manhattan.

I've got nothing against Islam what so ever, after 9/11 I helped the local Pakistani grocer buy a shotgun.

But this crud has got to stop!

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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2010, 12:33:40 AM »
I'm a real new yorker, born in Manhattan and two blocks might as well be on top of Ground Zero, it is an evil affront to the thousands who died.

Just to be clear you're OK with Catholic Churches, Amish goods shops, nudie bars, and a Subway shop being "on top of Ground Zero" but an Islamic-style YMCA taking over a BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY building is over the top.

I don't get it, but whatever.

I tried to verify ( here ) that it was opening on 9/11/2011 and I believed my fellow
APS'ers  when they said it was.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=24696.0
Actually nobody said it was opening in 9/11 unless that tidbit was embedded in the PJTV link that CS&D linked to which I didn't sit through and you didn't either because you said in that thread: "I can't hear/view video's from the pc I use."

So, no, there's no basis behind the goofball notion that they're opening on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.  You'll have to provide better sources for me to believe what you do. 

As far as I'm concerned everywhere below Canal Street is a freaking Cemetery, the ashes of innocents killed by bloodthirsty cowards are spread all over lower Manhattan.

Well, I ain't ever seen a Subway shop or nudie bar open up on a cemetery so I'd assume you're nit-picking what you'll get outraged about.

I've got nothing against Islam what so ever...

Well, unless they do their Islam too close to the WTC.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2010, 01:25:29 AM »
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