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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2010, 08:35:44 PM »
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controlling an inappropriate response

That's what most of us learn somewhere along the way.

I would think that learning to control one's behavior (treatment of others) would be separate from whatever kink one might have.  =|
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2010, 09:48:42 PM »
Interesting, so behavior modification can have an entirely different effect than even Kubrick could come up with. As they say, truth is stranger than fiction. My hat's off to you.
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2010, 01:58:35 AM »
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. Please elaborate on your point.

The problem is this:

When people think about sex offenders, they think primarily of the stereotypical perverts who cannot control their sexual urges and assault or sexually exploit children because of these urges. These people (so it is argued) cannot be safely released into society, and should rather remain in some kind of mental health clinic until they either die of old age or get better  (the former being more likely).

But in truth, there's a broad range of people who commit sexual offenses - ranging from the above perverts to the more mundane types and even people who commit stuff that's mostly a paper offense. For some of these people, this treatment is unnecessary because they're not actually mentally ill - they choose freely to commit their crimes and need to be punished for them, but there's no need to humiliate them with such treatment. Others (a minority of 'sex offenders') should probably not be in prison at all.

With juvenile offenders we run into the additional issue of them not being fully responsible for their acts - that's, after all, why we have ages of majority at all. With adults, there's the assumption that they're responsible for their crimes and that we can force them into this treatment as response. If I sat a fifteen-year-old down at a desk, attached electrodes to their genitals, and then showed porn to them, I would go to prison and become one of these sex offenders myself, even if the person consented. I'm not entirely clear why the state should be able to confr

Of course, even having perverse sexual urges is not itself proof of being unable to avoid acting on them. There's plenty of erotic story archives on the Internet with plenty of readers that detail a variety of sordid – really sordid stuff, and the readers never act on it.

Further, weren't there a lot of professional critiques about the scientific value of these treatments?

I'd like to know more before I come to a conclusion.

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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2010, 09:27:38 AM »
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having perverse sexual urges is not itself proof of being unable to avoid acting on them

What I was trying to say ...
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2010, 10:53:25 AM »
I'd kinda think having been arrested and convicted of a crime would be decent proof that the person in question isn't doing a great job of controlling their urges.
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2010, 12:31:58 PM »
I'd kinda think having been arrested and convicted of a crime would be decent proof that the person in question isn't doing a great job of controlling their urges.

On the contrary. Being arrested and convicted of the crime is proof that the person in question is doing a great job of controlling their urges - it's just that they chose to give in to the criminal ones.
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2010, 12:41:01 PM »
On the contrary. Being arrested and convicted of the crime is proof that the person in question is doing a great job of controlling their urges - it's just that they chose to give in to the criminal ones.

What?  ???
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2010, 12:54:11 PM »
Why is that unclear?

The whole point of criminal justice is that criminals deliberately choose to commit their crimes, no?
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2010, 12:56:44 PM »
Why is that unclear?

The whole point of criminal justice is that criminals deliberately choose to commit their crimes, no?

Not controlling criminal urges = choosing to commit a crime.
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2010, 03:20:36 PM »
. . . I know that this test is very commonly used in the field and has been validated in the medical literature . . .
Which is why so many people regard this field as being akin to phrenology, palmistry, astrology, and the reading of goat entrails.  [popcorn]
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2010, 04:02:29 PM »
Which is why so many people regard this field as being akin to phrenology, palmistry, astrology, and the reading of goat entrails.  [popcorn]

I daresay those people have little experience with the scientific method, then. 
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Re: British Columbia orders permanent end to sex arousal tests on teens
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2010, 04:40:02 PM »
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You do NOT want to hear the just-among-us-forensic-examiners sories about penile plesthysmography.  After over a decade of working in the field of treating sexual abusers of children I had become pretty immune (no longer retching and having weeks-long nightmares and waking terrors) to quite a lot of the sickness.  Those stories took be back to day #1 of trying to cope.

Guy I know slightly is a probation officer for sex offenders.  I know no details of his work, other than it turned him into a believer in the classic Calvinist/Augustinian doctrine of total depravity.
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