Deporting Illegals is no longer Acceptable

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Even in Europe:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/18/world/europe/18germany.html?_r=1

Summary: France is fighting with the EU justice minister, and with the Germans, re: deportation of illegal immigrants. Because many/most of these illegals are Roma (Gypsies). The EU justice minister Godwinned (sp?) the debate by comparing this deportation of illegals to Nazi Germany.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

could be those pesky leaked memos that show that the deportations were in fact illegal under french law

[longeyes]

I guess it will always be Nazism versus Communism--is that it?

[roo_ster]

When all reasonable means for dealing with glaring problems are forbidden by the ruling class, unreasonable means will become prevalent.

IOW, all this transnational progressive tyranny used to slap native populations about the head will end up fueling some truly nasty movements that will do much worse than deport a class of people who are present illegally, have cultures incompatible with those extant, and are rife with criminality.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/13/france-deportation-roma-illegal-memo

or it could be this    in real life i mean


you gotta love the immigration ministers claims of not knowing and not being in the memo loop

[longeyes]

Romanticizing the Roma in Europe is just one more symptom of European cultural decadence.  Let me be clear (as Someone likes to say): That doesn't mean they should be subjected to genocide or brutal treatment. It does mean they are a serious and growing problem.  An even greater problem is the failure of liberal "leadership" to be able to make reasonable social and moral judgments that relate to their own cultural survival.

[MicroBalrog]

The cultural survival of Europe is not at stake. The Roma will neither outbreed local citizens nor replace their culture with their own.

What is likely to happen is that Europe will proceed at its current pace - remaining a relatively wealthy welfare state, but never achieving the greatness that it could have had if free. 1% economic growth, for example, instead of 4 or 5%.

[longeyes]

Tell the Islamists.  And the Europeans who can't be bothered reproducing any more.

[MicroBalrog]

Tell the Islamists.  And the Europeans who can't be bothered reproducing any more.

The reproduction rate of European Muslims is dropping every year. In general, reproduction rates of immigrant populations eventually move down (and sometimes up) to match the reproduction rates of the home population over the years. There's simply not enough Muslims to outbreed the Europeans, and their reproduction rates are dropping.

The idea of Europe being outbred is a moral panic inspired by the very sort of people you abhor - tribalists with shifty motives.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

zing


its only bad being a tribalist when you are a member of the other tribe

[roo_ster]

The reproduction rate of European Muslims is dropping every year. In general, reproduction rates of immigrant populations eventually move down (and sometimes up) to match the reproduction rates of the home population over the years. There's simply not enough Muslims to outbreed the Europeans, and their reproduction rates are dropping.

The idea of Europe being outbred is a moral panic inspired by the very sort of people you abhor - tribalists with shifty motives.

Your math.

It is lacking.

[MicroBalrog]

Your math.

It is lacking.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/muslimsineurope.aspx?p=1

[longeyes]

The issue isn't whether the aforementioned birth rates are dropping.  They tend to when populations become more middle-class, though some groups take advantage of the welfare state to actually up their repro rate.  What matters, though, is THE POPULATION ALREADY BORN AND IN PLACE vis-a-vis "competing" populations.  That isn't speculation, it can be projected--barring, of course, The Unforeseen.  Without assimilation, without changes in value, the problem is real and significant.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/muslimsineurope.aspx?p=1

no fair not using cair and numbers usa for research

[French G.]

They are picking on the Roma because they are frustrated and scared by their islamic immigrants but lack the balls to do something about that. Except ban religious head gear.

[Viking]

They are picking on the Roma because they are frustrated and scared by their islamic immigrants but lack the balls to do something about that. Except ban religious head gear.

From what I read, they finally got tired of the thieving that for some reason seems to follow wherever Roma park their caravans. One of them tried to run over a cop, which earned him a well-placed bullet to the head, and after that the rest of the Roma nearby went ape-*expletive deleted*it, after which it was decided that they had run out of hospitality.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

From what I read, they finally got tired of the thieving that for some reason seems to follow wherever Roma park their caravans. One of them tried to run over a cop, which earned him a well-placed bullet to the head, and after that the rest of the Roma nearby went ape-*expletive deleted*, after which it was decided that they had run out of hospitality.

started decades before that

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.grtleeds.co.uk/History/germany1.html

[tyme]

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/muslimsineurope.aspx?p=1

The author of that article fails at math, and does not understand exponential functions.

Over time, no matter how small the difference in TFR, if the Muslim/Roma/immigrant TFR exceeds the "native" TFR, even if they're both below 2.0, eventually (over many generations) the "natives" will be the minority.  The process is obviously much faster if the country also allows ongoing immigration.

[MicroBalrog]

The author of that article fails at math, and does not understand exponential functions.

Over time, no matter how small the difference in TFR, if the Muslim/Roma/immigrant TFR exceeds the "native" TFR, even if they're both below 2.0, eventually (over many generations) the "natives" will be the minority.  The process is obviously much faster if the country also allows ongoing immigration.

Over many generations is the key here. You don't know - and neither do I - what TFR will be like in 2-3 generations. You don't  know what the European Muslim/Roma cultures will be like after 'many generations' of living with the Europeans.

[Viking]

started decades before that

I was referring to the recent deportations, and the supposed reasons behind them.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

the reasons have been a constant   just no killing em    right now