Global wrming Alert. Cold 1,000 year winter on its way.

[charby]

I hope we get a hardcore cold winter to kill off the pine beetles!

Yep let the new and young growth get established. You do know that the life span of Lodgepole pine is about 100-120 years? 100 years ago all the Lodgepole was harvested for mining timbers and railroad ties in your part of Montana. Beetles went to town on the old trees.

[Iain]

So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

[RoadKingLarry]

I'll post my predictions for Winter 2010-2011 in early April (2011). I do this every year. I have never been wrong.

[roo_ster]

So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

What part of the US?  Here in DFW we went from colder than normal winter, skipped spring, to hotter than normal summer to colder than normal autumn.  There's a Monty Python joke in there.

Luckily the AGW-mongers and their kool-aid drinkers are on the decline, influence-wise.  That sometimes happens when folks see the baloney behind hte facade.

[sanglant]

seems to me the seasons(start and end) are off about a month.

[Tallpine]

One thing about Montana weather is that it is always different.

Last year about this time we had eighteen inches of snow and below zero temperatures.  It's about 80 degrees today. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrd3HYU80Dk&feature=related


part 2

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRx-bveND4&feature=related

[230RN]

According to that map, Florida will have normal snowfall.

Denver will have more than normal snowfall.  But Denver always has either more or less than normal snowfall. Is there a fall equivalent to Punxsutawney Phil, a groundhog who, if he sees his shadow, there'll be six more weeks of summer?

Some enterprising little burg ought to start that tradition.

[Regolith]

According to that map, Florida will have normal snowfall.

It snows in Florida?

[Angel Eyes]

It snows in Florida?

Yup.  By the kilo.

[drewtam]

So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

I think your taking this all too serious. Everybody is just joking around, and doesn't want to begin another global warming/cooling debate. That subject has just gotten too tedious for now.

 


why so serious?

[Scout26]

So no interest in the US temperature record for September then?

We've had threads about cold in Argentina, but nothing about the heat in Russia. Now we've got a thread about a predicted cold winter, but nothing about the hottest US September on record (during a solar minimum as pointed out earlier).

None of these things mean anything in the wider climate particularly, but then I'm not the one starting the threads.

I'll play your silly game:   "That's Weather, not Climate."   

[Iain]

I'm being no more serious than others. Just pointing out that I find it slightly tedious that Matt's environmental correspondent pops along with one of his stories, this time predicting cold weather just as we're definitely coming off the back of the warmest September weather on the satellite record (going back to 1979). Also a warm rest of the year could push 2010 to the warmest year on record, it looks like it might podium place anyway.

[seeker_two]

Hmmm.....1,000 years of highs in the 70's and lows in the 50's (IOW, a Texas winter).....yep, I'll go for that....


!!! YEA, GLOBAL WARMING !!!

[charby]

More winters of discontent.

[Northwoods]

Apparently thanks the strong La Nina building out in the Pacific, us here in the PNW are supposedly going to get a lot more precipitation and it's supposed to get a lot colder this winter.  Given how bad the snow was the last (albiet weaker) La Nina I'm not looking forward to this winter.

[Northwoods]

Oh, and Iain, I don't trust any of the temperature records being put out by GISS and the MET and whatnot.  After having them scream several times about the area I live in suffering the HOTTEST MONTH/SEASON/YEAR EVAR, when I know darn well that it wasn't that hot (in some cases 10degF cooler), I have no faith whatsoever in their records.

[richyoung]

Oh, and Iain, I don't trust any of the temperature records being put out by GISS and the MET and whatnot.  After having them scream several times about the area I live in suffering the HOTTEST MONTH/SEASON/YEAR EVAR, when I know darn well that it wasn't that hot (in some cases 10degF cooler), I have no faith whatsoever in their records.

Add in the fact that there is more evidence for the existence of the Tooth Fairy than Global Warming......

[AZRedhawk44]

Apparently thanks the strong La Nina building out in the Pacific, us here in the PNW are supposedly going to get a lot more precipitation and it's supposed to get a lot colder this winter.  Given how bad the snow was the last (albiet weaker) La Nina I'm not looking forward to this winter.

How can you get "a lot more precipitation" than ALL OF IT?

Portland has something like 200+ days a year of rain.

Seattle has another 60-80+ on top of whatever Portland gets.

I don't buy this "La Nina and El Nino" baloney.  It happens every year.  It gets token lip service from the weatherman on the nooz as if it were an event that DIDN'T happen every freaking day.  It's a weather pattern that meteorologists have only discovered in the last few years and they're still patting each other on the back, so they need to remind us peons that they now see it.

I don't care about it.  It's a standard phenomenon, not something to report on.  Discovery of it doesn't mean that weather patterns have changed.

[Desertdog]

In the LA area they had the hotest record since they have kept temp records, 113 degrees F, and then they went to 15 to 25 degrees below normal.  So which was it,  record heat or record cold?  How about both, one after the other.  Which prevailed, record cold or record heat?  The 113 degrees was maybe 5 degrees above normal, but the cold was 15 to 25 degrees below normal, which to me it was a cooling trend.

[freakazoid]

The El Nino, the storm that all other tropical storms must bow before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEoHz56jWGY  

[Northwoods]

I don't buy this "La Nina and El Nino" baloney.  It happens every year.  It gets token lip service from the weatherman on the nooz as if it were an event that DIDN'T happen every freaking day.  It's a weather pattern that meteorologists have only discovered in the last few years and they're still patting each other on the back, so they need to remind us peons that they now see it.

El Nino/La Nina is a real, and pretty non-controversial weather pattern.  It's something flips every so often, usually not more than once per year.  It's a pattern of warming or cooling tropical Pacific surface temperatures.  El Nino tends to produce warmer and drier weather in the PNW, and La Nina tends to produce cooler and wetter weather.

Other places it does different things.  E.g. La Nina encourages stronger Atlantic hurracaines because it reduces the upper altitude wind shear over the tropical Atlantic that would otherwise tear cyclones apart.  El Nino does the opposite.  There's been quite a few Cat 3+ 'caines this year.  They've just all been "fish storms" so they haven't been as noticed.

Yeah, we get a lot of rain, but not like some places.  Here it's mostly cloudy with some drizel that doesn't really amount that much total rainfall.  The Haast Pass region of the west coast of the South Island of New Zealand can get 600" per year.  Friends were driving through there and got 12" in 12 hours. 

[Sergeant Bob]

Sounds like the plot from Fallen Angels.

http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/067172052X/067172052X___1.htm

I have that book (somewhere) and have thought often of it when I hear all this "green" BS.

More winters of discontent.

Did you just say "Winter of discount tent?

[Perd Hapley]

More winters of discontent.

Thanks for reminding me. I need to read that book again.