Author Topic: Health Care Ruling (Read 8746 times)

Ben · « **on:** October 08, 2010, 12:25:21 AM »

What I consider the most unconstitutional part of the health care bill has just been ruled constitutional by a Federal judge. It is now acceptable for the government to require us to purchase goods and services as a condition of citizenship.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/07/michigan-foes-obamacare-lose-key-court-ruling/

edit#2 for speling

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2010, 12:47:48 AM »

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"The court found that the minimum coverage provision of the statute was a reasonable means for Congress to take in reforming our health care system

Yeah, but who authorized Congress to reform health care?

Pat McCoy · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2010, 01:40:26 AM »

That's the first half of the two dissenting court opinions needed to get the question before SCOTUS. A good thing.

grampster · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2010, 03:52:08 AM »

It's a Federal judge in Detroit. What would you expect? Judges political? Nahh, perish the thought.

taurusowner · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2010, 05:14:43 AM »

Unfortunately, I have really no hope that there is going to be some drastic turnaround and the moochers will be fought back. Will it go before the SC? Probably. Will the SC rule in favor of the feds? Yep. This country is going down the socialist tube and nothing is going to stop it. Welcome to Rome. Keep your powder dry.

Monkeyleg · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2010, 09:07:32 AM »

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Will the SC rule in favor of the feds?

I don't think Alito, Thomas, Roberts and Scalia will back the feds. Given his other decisions, I'd have to question whether Kennedy would support forcing people to buy insurance.

A SC challenge is the best hope.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2010, 11:55:12 AM »

There days, it seems our federal courts will allow the govt to do just about anything.

AJ Dual · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2010, 01:00:22 PM »

Another interesting tidbit:

In the rush to slam together the bill, the authors forgot to tack on the normally standard boilerplate that essentially states "If any portion of this bill is found to be void under judicial review, the rest of it is still valid."

PTK · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2010, 01:05:58 PM »

There's no severability clause? Really? That's a really rookie mistake, or rather, a really rookie and egotistical mistake.

Jocassee · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2010, 01:59:36 PM »

Quote from: Monkeyleg on October 08, 2010, 09:07:32 AM

A SC challenge is the best hope.

Just thinking back to the last time SC challenged the Federal government...let's hope it turns out better this time. > > > (sideways joke)

TommyGunn · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2010, 11:42:44 PM »

This represents the beginning of this law's journey through our system, not the end. It's not a final word.
And I am not sanguine about the final verdicts. Given what the govt. & courts have done in regards to the commerce clause I suppose anything could happen .... anything.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2010, 11:57:50 PM »

Quote from: TommyGunn on October 08, 2010, 11:42:44 PM

This represents the beginning of this law's journey through our system, not the end.

But this law was shoved into our system, through its end.

TommyGunn · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2010, 11:59:04 PM »

Quote from: Fistful on October 08, 2010, 11:57:50 PM

But this law was shoved into our system, through its end.

Ziiiing! Ouch!

True enough, that.

Nitrogen · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2010, 01:28:02 AM »

Quote from: Ben on October 08, 2010, 12:25:21 AM

What I consider the most unconstitutional part of the health care bill has just been ruled constitutional by a Federal judge. It is now acceptable for the government to require us to purchase goods and services as a condition of citizenship.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/07/michigan-foes-obamacare-lose-key-court-ruling/

edit#2 for speling

So you lose your citizenship if you don't have healthcare?

RocketMan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2010, 01:30:34 AM »

Quote from: Nitrogen on October 09, 2010, 01:28:02 AM

So you lose your citizenship if you don't have healthcare?

Careful, Nitrogen. Don't give them any ideas.

Nitrogen · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2010, 02:35:01 AM »

There's an easy way to fix the need to purchase healthcare.

Move to a single payer system.

Ben · « **Reply #16 on:** October 09, 2010, 10:44:17 AM »

Quote from: Nitrogen on October 09, 2010, 01:28:02 AM

So you lose your citizenship if you don't have healthcare?

No. "Free" US citizens are simply fined if they choose not to comply with the purchase of a government good. The requirement is not predicated upon anything else (e.g., my state government requires me to have car insurance, but only if I own a car).

This is a govt requirement to buy a good or service simply because I'm alive and minding my own business. Bill Gates has to do this, even though he could run up a $10 million dollar hospital bill and pay it out of the chump change drawer in his desk.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2010, 12:17:08 PM »

Quote from: Ben on October 09, 2010, 10:44:17 AM

my state government requires me to have car insurance, but only if I own a car.

And even then, only if you plan to drive it on public roads.

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This is a govt requirement to buy a good or service simply because I'm alive and minding my own business. Bill Gates has to do this, even though he could run up a $10 million dollar hospital bill and pay it out of the chump change drawer in his desk.

Nah, he could probably get an exemption, like McDonald's, et al.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #18 on:** October 09, 2010, 05:12:56 PM »

in va for 500 bucks a year to uninsured motorist fund you can drive without insurance

freakazoid · « **Reply #19 on:** October 09, 2010, 06:29:50 PM »

If this passes I wonder how much longer till it becomes illegal to quite your job or be fired in order to "fix" the economy?

Tallpine · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2010, 06:11:18 PM »

So what are they going to do - put fifty million people in jail

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2010, 06:57:12 PM »

Quote from: Tallpine on October 10, 2010, 06:11:18 PM

So what are they going to do - put fifty million people in jail

FEMA camps!

vaskidmark · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2010, 07:06:13 PM »

Quote from: Fistful on October 10, 2010, 06:57:12 PM

FEMA camps!

With formaldehyde trailers!

stay safe.

sanglant · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2010, 07:15:05 PM »

those aren't camps, they're happy fun waiting centers.

Tallpine · « **Reply #24 on:** October 10, 2010, 08:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Fistful on October 10, 2010, 06:57:12 PM

FEMA camps!

You know, when I was 15 I wanted nothing more in the world but to go up into the mountains with a couple horses and rifle and knife and ax and tent and bedroll and just disappear and live off the land.

I may yet live out that dream (but the ground is a lot harder than it used to be).

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Author Topic: Health Care Ruling (Read 8746 times)

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