New Hampshire CPS takes baby from family because father is "Oath Keeper"

[AZRedhawk44]

Only links I can find right now are WND or blogs.  Looking for a more reputable link to get the "other side" of the story.

At this point, for all I know the father was a raving puppy-pedophile and WND is cherry-picking the story.

But it bears monitoring.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213149

Synopsis:  Dana Bicford of NH CPS came to the hospital, with police, to take the newborn child of Jonathon Irish.  Her grounds?  He's a member of that evil organization "Oath Keepers," which is a militia, according to her (according to WND).

If true, creepy.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

its not true


first hint  wnd

second clue  alex jones


http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=150687


has the usual raving  and then some links to real facts
you gotta register  and the politics forum has a password   its "freedom"


has links to actual court documents  new stories going back years

synopsis

hes a great guy  drugs statutory rape gun charges  shooting at mysterious invaders in his house  who are never found
and he was arrested for threatening to go columbine in high school
she had her other 2 kids taken cause hero kicked ones butt  the kids under 6  hes kicked her butt and failed to attend even one anger management class


how this guy can be a member of oath keepers is a bit murky as well
stewart rhodes is a moron for not saying  "nope  not one of us!" and moving on

[TommyGunn]

its not true


first hint  wnd

second clue  alex jones

You got the clues reversed in number.  Alex Jones should be #1.   Yea, WND has become suspect in recent years.  I don't know what happened to them.  I used to think they were Ok but got themselves screwed up over time, but I don't know if that's what happened, or they simply put in enough straight stories early on to make me think they were competent or straightforward.
Alex Jones has a great love of liberty  .... at the expense of good judgement (or his own twisted methodologies....).... and I would strongly encourage him to revamp and write for a new rendition of The Outer Limits .... or The Twilight Zone, both of which might be right up his alley.  

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i think wnd tries too hard to be the firstist with the worstist and neglects verification. they see zomg nwo when the mail man shows up and they have made their credibility almost nil. shame  cause they have done some stuff that was true  no one will believe it though

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

oh and the legal paperwork thats been shown in partial view?  iis a motion for a change of venue

[Jocassee]

Fact remains that "militia" was used as an excuse to take the baby. And THAT is a serious, serious issue.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i take it you haven't read the court document yet?

[MicroBalrog]

This is the statutory rape charge in question:

One of the juveniles, who was 14, told police she and Irish were boyfriend and girlfriend and had sexual intercourse at least 10 times since they started dating, according to the affidavit

Irish was 18 at the time. I see no mention of a conviction in the articles you linked. I wonder why.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

if the case ended up in family court its hard to find
have YOU read the court document that had alex jones all aquiver?

[MicroBalrog]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby

This is interesting.

Not only because of the domestic violence aspects... but because I'm only one degree of separation from the Ofer Nave guy.

[Jocassee]

i take it you haven't read the court document yet?

I saw this story three days ago and knew it was going to be bumpy.

Obviously you don't get on CPS radar for being a nice person. Could very well be the child needed to be removed. But allow me to quote Mr. Rhodes (who, by the way, had a minor falling out with my "organization" so I'm not a huge fan of his either).

...regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

is the guy who abused the 2 year old in fact an "oath keeper"?  or is looking at and posting on their website all it takes to join?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i take it thats a no?  as to looking at the actual court document?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/to-those-running-with-the-oath?commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2823093

[MicroBalrog]

i take it thats a no?  as to looking at the actual court document?

I have looked at the court document. Doesn't look like the model citizen to me, but then, who knows.

[Jocassee]

is the guy who abused the 2 year old in fact an "oath keeper"?  or is looking at and posting on their website all it takes to join?

That ^^ is an excellent question that I'm inclined to think you have the correct answer.

I don't care if the guy is an oathkeeper or not. I don't even care if he killed Mother Theresa.

Keep in mind there are some of us on this board a hell of a lot deeper in the militia movement than this guy ever was and this situation has ALL of us a little jumpy.

The most important thing to me is the justification of CPS actions that THEY gave.

I did not take the time to read the primary source.

EDITED for snark.

[MicroBalrog]

is the guy who abused the 2 year old in fact an "oath keeper"?  or is looking at and posting on their website all it takes to join?

According to the Oath Keeper website, you don't need to be an LEO or military to join.

https://www.formstack.com/forms/?721615-lEe3sgs4Tc

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

kicking a 2 year olds butt?  jails a special place for jonathan. his fiancee can mail him a dress and makeup.

his "affiliation" with oath keepers and his buying guns is relevant in 2 ways  one hes a prohibited person ala lautenberg  and his affiliation with a group that advocates semicivil disobediance is troubling given that hes a whack job with visions of columbine dancing in his drug addled brain.
stewart rhodes must need more press time   this may not work well for him.  he, and all folks associated with militias, needs to make sure they don't allow their image to be ruined by the nuts they attract   heck watching the steady flow of comments from their fan base that they have to edit out does them no good.

this guy makes the hutaree look very very good by comparison


what happened with them anyway?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

would being a child abusing mental patient make oath keepers less inclusive to you?

[Jocassee]

this guy makes the hutaree look very very good by comparison


what happened with them anyway?

The fibbies exaggerated and manufactured the charges. They were all aquitted very quietly, if memory serves.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

not as of sept 22 they hadn't

http://www.freep.com/article/20100922/NEWS05/9220345/Throw-out-Hutaree-case-lawyers-ask


wishin/hopin don't make it so

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

heck fire they can't even make bond

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

re the hutaree

this seemed hopeful
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/05/judge_prosecutors_clash_in_hut.php

but then 6 months later they are still in jail

[MicroBalrog]

So, what of this stuff was he actually convicted of?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

hard to say  some types of court cases are not open   when they involve minors particularly

in the last things i can find he was sent for psych evaluation twice and thats where the news reports die out

is new hampshire a state with online access of case records?