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4000 rounds
« on: January 02, 2011, 08:17:48 PM »
I had my first malfunction in my XD9 after 4000 rounds.

Light primer strike.

I continued the shooting for the day after a brief inspection, and I noticed that the loaded chamber indicator was not resetting to flush with an empty chamber.  No more malfs the rest of the day.

Took it home and did my first detail-strip of the slide.  Removed the roll pins that hold the LCI in place and the firing pin as well.

A metric ton o' crud came out of the firing pin channel.  And there was some crusty soot/lead deposits under the LCI after disassembly.  Plenty enough stuff to start impeding proper impact.  I can see a visible difference before/after on firing pin protrusion.

The last ~2000 or so rounds have all been lead reloads with a tendency to smoke and spray lead all over the chamber and breech face, so I probably should tear-down the upper assembly every 1000 rounds or so.  Frankly, all the roll pins in the slide scared me from doing it until absolutely mandatory.  Only other guns I've done it to was a Glock 21 I used to own, mostly just out of curiosity at around 2500 rounds, and both my Colt 1911's for extractor tuning.

How often do you guys do a complete slide tear-down?
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2011, 08:27:04 PM »
[THR "Tactical Expert"] Any gun that malfunctions like that after just 4000 rounds without cleaning is a POS and should be melted for scrap...everyone knows that JMB's 1911's can do ten times that much and only need to be wiped down with a dirty rag afterwards..... [/THR "Tactical Expert"]

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Actually, that's a great record, and it shows the need for a detail strip/clean for any gun. Gives me a lot of confidence in my XDsc and makes me think hard about buying another one to match.....  :cool:
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2011, 08:29:24 PM »
4000 rnds,  not bad.

i will strip down a gun right after i buy it, and then not worry about it until it is a problem.  the only exception is my carry piece,  which gets done about evry 500 rds or so.
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2011, 08:43:02 PM »
I don't mean to imply that I didn't clean the gun at all in 4000 rounds...

I have been doing a basic disassembly and cleaning every 200 to 500 rounds.  I went about 700 rounds once without cleaning just to see how far it could go without a malfunction, and I decided that anything after the ~700 round point was just asking for trouble, as well as unrealistic expectations.  There's no way that I would demand a pistol to shoot 500+ rounds without at least a basic wipe-down and re-lube.
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2011, 08:43:28 PM »
This:


from Harbor Freight for about $70.

Field strip the slide, run it through the cleaner, then blow dry it with a compressor.  Re-lube as you like, reassemble, and shoot.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2011, 09:22:54 PM »
This:



What solution do you use in it?....
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2011, 09:25:47 PM »
Water and a touch of dish soap.  If warranted, I'll run a bore snake through the barrel afterwards until I'm satisfied.  I've done XDs, Glocks, a Walther p22 and several revolvers.  I'm very pleased with the results.

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eta:  I believe wifey has run every bit of jewelry she owns through it, and several knick-knacks etc.  It sits on the kitchen counter with the toaster, coffee maker, and all the other small appliances.  Every part of the guns I've listed have been in the cleaner except the wood grips from one revolver.  Oh, the revolvers all have been through it detail stripped. I did that the first time.  Subsequent times I'm good for just taking off the grips so the crap can wash out.
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2011, 10:01:10 PM »
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How often do you guys do a complete slide tear-down?

Of my XD?  I have yet to.  Given that I mostly shoot filthy hand cast lead through it, I probably should.

On the Glock I sometimes do it just to gawk at how trivial it is to do.

Others?  The Makarov, when I had it (just traded off my last one), was another easy one, and you really want to keep that firing pin channel clean.   
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2011, 10:17:53 PM »
I've never done a full tear down on my XD. I did a little smoothing when I got it and I do spray out the firing pin and other slide parts every time I clean it.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2011, 10:36:31 PM »

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 11:08:36 PM »
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 11:14:08 PM »
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reloads with a tendency to smoke and spray lead all over the chamber and breech face

I'd be looking at my reloads for the cause of that.
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 11:17:56 PM »
I thought it was a slow cooker.


IDK what the heck it is ... some one fill me in?
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 12:20:09 AM »

IDK what the heck it is ... some one fill me in?

It's an ultrasonic cleaner.  You puts yer stuff in the water and it vibrates all the crap off'n it.  It's like an extra large jewelry cleaner.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 12:31:23 AM »
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It's an ultrasonic cleaner.  You puts yer stuff in the water and it vibrates all the crap off'n it.  It's like an extra large jewelry cleaner.

I know that, but it looked like a slow cooker at first. Maybe I'll try making beef stew using ultrasonics.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 12:33:34 AM »
I know that, but it looked like a slow cooker at first. Maybe I'll try making beef stew using ultrasonics.

They specifically do not recommend putting your meat in that machine.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 06:06:59 AM »
They specifically do not recommend putting your meat in that machine.


That's good advice no matter what you're talking about....  ;)
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2011, 09:55:22 AM »
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They specifically do not recommend putting your meat in that machine.

Hmmm. Ultra-sonic vibrations? I don't know...

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2011, 10:04:15 AM »
I need me one of those.  And not for my meat.
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2011, 10:24:43 AM »
I'd be looking at my reloads for the cause of that.

They're fairly low pressure with a lighter charge of Titegroup.  Probably not getting very good case expansion/obturation in the chamber. 

Titegroup is a fast burning powder and going higher on the charge will result in increased barrel leading, so I probably should change to a slower burning powder.  I've used AA#7 in the past for 9mm and really liked it for that caliber from my CZ-75 (never tried it in the XD though), but I did NOT like it for .45acp.  Way too much fireball and bark in pistols, and out of my Camp 45 it would spray semi-burnt powder granules into my face while shooting (I'm a lefty and the ejection port is right in front of my nose on the Camp 45). 

Considering I reload for volume and not necessarily anal-retentive precision (minute of steel plate is fine), I'd rather tear down the slide every 1k rounds or so, than change powder in my measure when switching between 9mm/.38special/.45acp on my SDB press.

Anyone able to suggest a powder in-between Titegroup and AA#7 for burn rate suitable to lead reloads in 9mm/.38special/.45acp?
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2011, 12:33:42 PM »
Hmmm. Ultra-sonic vibrations? I don't know...

Something about seperating the marrow from the inside of the bone.  Probably would not be healthy.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2011, 01:50:55 PM »
We have an ultrasonic humidifier for the kids.

Inside, there is a place that a sealed water chamber drains into, it makes a little pool of water about an inch deep.  At the bottom of the pool is the ultrasonic vibration device, which I think is some kind of piezoelectric disk.    As you tun up the intensity, the surface of the water first begins to ripple, then forms a cone in a kind of standing wave, then it starts to generate a mist emanating from what I can only imagine is the focal point of the wave, where water is being atomized by the vibrations.  If you turn it up to full intensity, a LOT of mist is produced, as well as a few water droplets popping off here and there in various directions.

Curious, I wanted to feel the vibrations in the water, so I touched the pad of my finger to the surface.  This stopped the mist.  There was nothing at first, and then there was a rapidly growing feeling of pain as if a widening needle was being shoved through my finger.  I pulled my hand back and inspected my finger.  There was no injury, and the pain subsided immediately.  I tried it a few more times, very quickly.  It was quite strange how the pain grows from nothing and gets more intense over time.  1 sec and it is uncomfortable.  2 sec and any normal person would pull their hand back.  I imagine 3 seconds and beyond would be excruciating.

Thus I have no interest putting any kind of meat in an ultrasonic cleanser.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2011, 02:26:18 PM »
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It was quite strange how the pain grows from nothing and gets more intense over time.  1 sec and it is uncomfortable.  2 sec and any normal person would pull their hand back.  I imagine 3 seconds and beyond would be excruciating.

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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 11:10:17 AM »


Anyone able to suggest a powder in-between Titegroup and AA#7 for burn rate suitable to lead reloads in 9mm/.38special/.45acp?

Anyone?
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Re: 4000 rounds
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 01:40:59 PM »
Bullseye?  Win231?  BlueDot?

I don't have my manuals in front of me.

I use Titegroup in 9mm, 40sw, and 45acp, so I am partial to that.
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