Author Topic: Terrorism? O RLY? (Read 7239 times)

AZRedhawk44 · « **on:** March 21, 2011, 06:09:04 PM »

http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20110319/NEWS01/110319006/1001/news/Liberty-Dollar-fake-currency-creator-convicted-federal-court?odyssey=nav|head

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The leader of a group that marketed a fake currency called Liberty Dollars in the Asheville area and elsewhere has been found guilty by a federal jury of conspiracy against the government in a case of “domestic terrorism.”

Wow.

Domestic Terrorism.

What a load of crap.

I remember this guy from a few years ago... his Liberty Dollars had a lot of things wrong with them. I believe he put the "$" symbol on them, and also tried to deliberately equate them against a certain value of FRN (Federal Reserve Notes... what we consider "dollars" today). That was just stoopid.

I grant that he's guilty of perhaps some forms of counterfeiting. Or minting without a permit, or something like that.

But... domestic terrorism? For giving people (who all SUPPORT his stance that the FedReserve is a load of crap and FREELY chose to associate/trade using precious metals rather than green-died paper) an alternative currency?

These people could have done the exact same thing with US Mint coins.

This is what you get with the "ra ra let's go Bush yay Patriot Act!" ramrod mentality after September 2001.

Fly320s · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:11:13 PM »

Who was terrorized?

I fail to see how even that catch-all charge would be applied in this case.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2011, 06:12:00 PM »

i think undermining a countries currency is a long established methodology and prosecution of it predates the patriot act

vaskidmark · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:15:55 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 21, 2011, 06:12:00 PM

i think undermining a countries currency is a long established methodology and prosecution of it predates the patriot act

Given and seeing as how far he got and how widesprewad the acceptance of the Liberty Dollars wasa (NOT!) I fail to see how anyone could accuse him of undermining the currency.

At best he's using his version of Momopoly Money to keep track of barter agreements.

Or is bartering also undermining the currency, per the Interstate Commerce Clause? [/snark] (well, masybe /snark)

stay safe.

Waitone · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:23:37 PM »

The federales and the FED can not tolerate the existence of any medium of exchange other than the dollar. What will be interesting to watch is what happens after a few states pass legislation which permits the acceptance of gold or silver in payment of state taxes. Curiously just such a law was proposed in NC, the state where the trial took place.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:26:28 PM »

Quote from: vaskidmark on March 21, 2011, 07:15:55 PM

Given and seeing as how far he got and how widesprewad the acceptance of the Liberty Dollars wasa (NOT!) I fail to see how anyone could accuse him of undermining the currency.

At best he's using his version of Momopoly Money to keep track of barter agreements.

Or is bartering also undermining the currency, per the Interstate Commerce Clause? [/snark] (well, masybe /snark)

stay safe.

Affecting interstate commerce! Affecting interstate commerce! I KNOW the courts could find bartering against the law if a case came before them.

This is where we see the government start using "Domestic Terrorism" to start cracking down on it's opponents. You've already seen them start using the frickin' TSA (the finest butt of jokes up until the last couple of years)...just wait, it's going to get a whole lot more interesting.

longeyes · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:31:39 PM »

He's guilty but Ben Bernanke is guiltless? Hmmm.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:28:51 PM »

Is there any criminal activity that is actually not terrorism?

Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:54:39 PM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 21, 2011, 08:28:51 PM

Is there any criminal activity that is actually not terrorism?

Prostitution?

Tallpine · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2011, 08:59:21 PM »

Once you realize that we live in a tyrannical police state, nothing really surprises you anymore.

Seenterman · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:05:51 AM »

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Prostitution?

Try again terrorist. Your running an illegitimate business that doesn't pay taxes and when you don't pay taxes the terrorists win, or something . . . .

Headless Thompson Gunner · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:50:21 AM »

Saw this story from a different news source the other day. The impression I got was that the dude was manufacturing coins that didn't adequately distinguish themselves from real US currency. Manufacturing coins is legal, but manufacturing coins that could appear as official currency is a no-no.

The articles are a bit vague on the details, but I think the terrorism talk is just press conference fluff from the prosecutor, trying to make her case sound more impressive or serious than it really is. I don't think terrorism had anything to do with the actual trial or conviction.

HankB · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:24:11 PM »

Quote from: vaskidmark on March 21, 2011, 07:15:55 PM

. . . Or is bartering also undermining the currency, per the Interstate Commerce Clause?

Doesn't the IRS consider what you get by bartering to be income you have to declare and pay taxes on . . . but they want payment in cash?

Tallpine · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:57:34 PM »

Quote from: HankB on March 23, 2011, 01:24:11 PM

Doesn't the IRS consider what you get by bartering to be income you have to declare and pay taxes on . . . but they want payment in cash?

Yeah - imagine what they might do with some people's definition of "marraige"

El Tejon · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:16:47 PM »

O.K., enough with the rampant Wookiism already.

The "domestic terrorism" comes from a hyperbolic press release by the USA. There was no charge of "domestic terrorism"; that came from a AUSA who wants to get noticed.

If you want to run a multilevel marketing scheme involving coins that look like US currency, reconsider and stick to cleaning supplies and vitamins.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2011, 06:08:21 PM »

There's never sufficient wookiism.

Gowen · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2011, 07:02:14 PM »

It's kind of like getting written up at work. More often than not, they use the the catchall term "failure to follow company policy." Being insubordinate, late to work, excessive absences, they can fire you for one term.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2011, 07:20:54 PM »

the perfect storm of wookeism meets "the movement"
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/03/maker-gold-ron-paul-currency-goes-prison

the layers of fail
and why was it that r paul didn't denounce/distance himself from this? at least bitch about them minting coins with his face on them?

Lee · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2011, 08:11:10 PM »

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Since the raid, as the Southern Poverty Law Center notes, Von NotHaus has retired from the currency business to found the Free Marijuana Church of Honolulu, where he's a "high priest." He's currently working on a book, tentatively titled, One Toke to God—Two Tokes to Party. Von NotHaus faces up to 15 years in prison.

There ya go. He stole the Presidential motto - therefore he is a terrorist. Not-Winning!!

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2011, 02:56:29 AM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 23, 2011, 07:20:54 PM

the perfect storm of wookeism meets "the movement"
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/03/maker-gold-ron-paul-currency-goes-prison

the layers of fail
and why was it that r paul didn't denounce/distance himself from this? at least bitch about them minting coins with his face on them?

I'd rather have people like NotHaus on my side and be on the side of freedom than live our my life a tie-wearing, well-shaved mainstream functionnaire.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2011, 05:52:39 AM »

having him on your side is the kinda thing that makes your opposition chuckle with glee. its like having david dukes endorsement

RaspberrySurprise · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2011, 09:51:44 AM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 23, 2011, 06:08:21 PM

There's never sufficient wookiism.

*howls and shakes bowcaster*

Headless Thompson Gunner · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2011, 01:07:19 PM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 23, 2011, 06:08:21 PM

There's never sufficient wookiism.

Indeed not. There's usually excessive wookiism.

bedlamite · « **Reply #23 on:** March 24, 2011, 09:52:37 PM »

Quote from: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 24, 2011, 01:07:19 PM

Indeed not. There's usually excessive wookiism.

Sometimes too much just isn't enough.

230RN · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2011, 10:23:07 AM »

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Doesn't the IRS consider what you get by bartering to be income you have to declare and pay taxes on . . . but they want payment in cash?

Well, I can just see someone who came out ahead on a trade involving pigs shipping a couple of them to the IRS centers. "Payment in kind," is the term, I guess, for "income derived from whatever source."

<insert bacon joke here>

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Author Topic: Terrorism? O RLY? (Read 7239 times)