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Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« on: March 25, 2011, 07:08:21 PM »
I couldn't have made this up if I tried.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/rebel-commander-in-libya-fought-against-u-s-in-afghanistan/?singlepage=true

"On his own admission, rebel leader Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi fought American troops in Afghanistan and recruited Libyans to fight American troops in Iraq."



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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2011, 10:31:16 PM »
Sooo... we're temporarily no longer the Great Satan while we're helping him out his own country's despot?
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 10:35:58 PM »
we've switched sides in both those places at least once ourselves
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2011, 03:57:36 AM »
Shimon Peres assisted with terrorist attacks against American civilian targets in Egypt.  He's what you'd call a terrorist unindicted co-conspirator. And?
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2011, 09:35:48 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 03:57:36 AM
Shimon Peres assisted with terrorist attacks against American civilian targets in Egypt.  He's what you'd call a terrorist unindicted co-conspirator. And?

Just another case of us sticking our noses into the affairs of the ME and Africa.  Nothing good will come of it.  See how long it took the Arab League to roll us under the bus? 
Our level of involvment in the middle east should be as follows:
Leave Isreal alone, they are our allies.  Mess with them and we'll carpet bomb your capital.
Leave us alone. Mess with us and we'll drive your people into the nearest sea.
Civil war? Fine.  Whoever wins, call us, we'd like to buy some oil.

No matter how many Harvard graduates we throw at figuring out the Middle East, we can't seem to get it right. Why is that? Perhaps because our policy of interventionisim is fail.  We don't understand the culture and the people of the Middle East.  And yes, I'm lumping Lybia into this because the way of life and thinking is still very similar from what I can gather. 
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2011, 10:10:07 AM »
Again. The current President of Israel has (probably) helped orchestrate attacks on American civilians. And yet you support Israel. Why?
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2011, 10:13:35 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
Again. The current President of Israel has (probably) helped orchestrate attacks on American civilians. And yet you support Israel. Why?

Because I don't support cross border invasions of surrounding countries.  Same surface reason we bailed Kuwait out in '91.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2011, 10:23:42 AM »
Quote from: kgbsquirrel on March 25, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
Sooo... we're temporarily no longer the Great Satan while we're helping him out his own country's despot?

No....Islam is one of the few religions where a believer can make a deal with the Devil.....just as long as the believer doesn't keep up his end....

...someone explain what we're getting out of this?.....  ;/
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 10:36:04 AM »
Quote from: seeker_two on March 26, 2011, 10:23:42 AM
...someone explain what we're getting out of this?.....  ;/
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2011, 11:27:03 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 03:57:36 AM
Shimon Peres assisted with terrorist attacks against American civilian targets in Egypt.  He's what you'd call a terrorist unindicted co-conspirator. And?

Good time to cut aid to Israel since they elected a known terrorist to run the country.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2011, 12:16:22 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
Again. The current President of Israel has (probably) helped orchestrate attacks on American civilians. And yet you support Israel. Why?

Because a significant fraction of the American electorate thinks the modern nation called Israel is God's chosen people.  To these people, Israel can do no wrong, and God will get anyone who crosses them.  

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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2011, 12:19:33 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on March 26, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
Because a significant fraction of the American electorate thinks the modern nation called Israel is God's chosen people.  To these people, Israel can do no wrong, and God will get anyone who crosses them.  


Okay. Why did America allow former Nazi officers to serve in the West German military and advise it on military matters and participate in its military R&D?
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2011, 12:30:17 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on March 26, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
Because a significant fraction of the American electorate thinks the modern nation called Israel is God's chosen people.  To these people, Israel can do no wrong, and God will get anyone who crosses them.  

Get a grip, man. Plenty of Americans support Israel for reasons other than that.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2011, 01:27:29 PM »
Quote from: Fistful on March 26, 2011, 12:30:17 PM
Get a grip, man. Plenty of Americans support Israel for reasons other than that.

And plenty do support it for exactly that reason.  

(It's a hot button for me.  A particular bit of craziness close by me that I don't share.)

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Why did America allow former Nazi officers to serve in the West German military and advise it on military matters and participate in its military R&D?

Too big to be monolithic.  What I described is a subset of the Am. electorate.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2011, 02:05:07 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 12:19:33 PM
Okay. Why did America allow former Nazi officers to serve in the West German military and advise it on military matters and participate in its military R&D?

I think this thread has been Werner-von-Braun'ed......  :facepalm:
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2011, 02:09:39 PM »
Quote from: seeker_two on March 26, 2011, 02:05:07 PM
I think this thread has been Werner-von-Braun'ed......  :facepalm:
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2011, 02:50:08 PM »
Quote from: seeker_two on March 26, 2011, 02:05:07 PM
I think this thread has been Werner-von-Braun'ed......  :facepalm:

Him too.  And there was a Nazi flying ace that was involved, or gave advice on, the design of the A-10 Warthog.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2011, 04:17:50 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 03:57:36 AM
Shimon Peres assisted with terrorist attacks against American civilian targets in Egypt.  He's what you'd call a terrorist unindicted co-conspirator. And?

And I wouldn't shed a tear if he caught a round in the melon and his body consumed by carrion-feeders?
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2011, 06:34:00 PM »
Yes. Sure.

And yet there are plenty of evil people America relies upon to do good things. This won't be the first or the tenth.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2011, 06:58:52 PM »
We keep saying BHO is clueless.  Seems to me everything he does works to advance the fortunes of radical Islamists, the better to promote a pan-Arab Caliphate down the pike.  One by one the leaders who hold the region together (bastards though they may be) are going down, with our official blessing.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2011, 07:37:21 PM »
If the alternative is the region being rendered into Somalia-like anarchy and bloody tyrants ruling forever, set loose the Tomahawks.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2011, 09:32:52 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
Again. The current President of Israel has (probably) helped orchestrate attacks on American civilians. And yet you support Israel. Why?

As was stated before, American Christians generally have the warm fuzzies for Israel (myself included); Israel generally behaves in a civilized fashion toward us; large numbers of Israelis have not recently been screaming "Death to America" and trying to kill us in great big bleeding batches.
The occasional, rare trangression can be overlooked.
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2011, 09:35:36 PM »
Quote from: RocketMan on March 26, 2011, 09:32:52 PM
As was stated before, American Christians generally have the warm fuzzies for Israel (myself included); Israel generally behaves in a civilized fashion toward us; large numbers of Israelis have not recently been screaming "Death to America" and trying to kill us in great big bleeding batches.

Not exactly setting the standard high.  But, like you wrote, relative to their neighbors...

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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2011, 09:41:33 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on March 26, 2011, 07:37:21 PM
Again. The current President of Israel has (probably) helped orchestrate attacks on American civilians. And yet you support Israel. Why?


Probably for the same reason we fought two World Wars for a country that fought two wars against us.....we've found a way to put our past with Great Britain in the past...in order to pursue a better future....
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Re: Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2011, 11:41:54 PM »
Quote from: seeker_two on March 26, 2011, 09:41:33 PM
Probably for the same reason we fought two World Wars for a country that fought two wars against us.....we've found a way to put our past with Great Britain in the past...in order to pursue a better future....

Exactly.
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