Pretzel logic on CCW in Wisconsin

[Monkeyleg]

I like to finish out each day with a bit of entertainment, so I do two things every night. One is to read a couple of comic strips. The other is to read the letters to the editor in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. The letters are almost always funnier.

Today there was one on CCW laws in Wisconsin. The logic is so convoluted that I got a brain cramp. Here's a sample:

Please remember that the main reason one wants a gun is because one imagines needing a gun. But one of the reasons that person has never actually needed a gun in the past was because he or she was not carrying one.

The rest of the letter is here.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Pure genius.

Let's see if I can mimic this logic. Simply by carrying condoms on my person, I can vastly increase my chances of having a spontaneous orgy - and in fact, the reason I have never encountered a spontaneous orgy is because I do not run around with condoms at all times.

I may test this logic out next week in the vicinity of South Padre Island.

[MicroBalrog]

But one of the reasons that person has never actually needed a gun in the past was because he or she was not carrying one.

Who says I have never actually needed a gun in the past?

[AZRedhawk44]

Who says I have never actually needed a gun in the past?

Because you're alive right now.  That's their argument.

[MicroBalrog]

Because you're alive right now.  That's their argument.

So, are those people evil, or just stupid?

[AZRedhawk44]

So, are those people evil, or just stupid?

Yes.

[Boomhauer]

Monkeyleg, you bastard. I read the quote

Please remember that the main reason one wants a gun is because one imagines needing a gun. But one of the reasons that person has never actually needed a gun in the past was because he or she was not carrying one.

And I can feel my IQ dropping every time I read it. It's killing my brain cells. I could smoke some crack and do less damage than that sentence did. It's simply that *expletive deleted*ing retarded. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

It's much like this strip:



We should turn this type of logic around and use it on them. It'd be a field day...

[Jocassee]

I too can feel little grey cells fleeing my skull cavity as I try to comprehend teh stoopid.

[CNYCacher]

I think what they are trying to say is a variation on the "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" idea.  They are saying that if you didn't have a gun, you would find a non-violent solution to whatever comes your way.

[makattak]

I think what they are trying to say is a variation on the "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" idea.  They are saying that if you didn't have a gun, you would find a non-violent solution to whatever comes your way.

And they truly believe that. They think a gun will only "escalate" the problem and if you just talked calmly everyone would work it out.

They also may know that if they had a gun they would use it on people with whom they are angry and believe we are just the same.

[MicroBalrog]

I think what they are trying to say is a variation on the "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" idea.  They are saying that if you didn't have a gun, you would find a non-violent solution to whatever comes your way.

Nobody is actually literally stupid enough to believe that.

...I hope.

[makattak]

Nobody is actually literally stupid enough to believe that.

...I hope.

You've not met enough starry-eyed liberals.

[MicroBalrog]

I'm in graduate school.

[makattak]

I'm in graduate school.

I'm aware of that. Israeli starry-eyed leftists may have more of reality smacking them in the face what with being surrounded by enemies.

American leftists live in a nice, safe cocoon.

[MicroBalrog]

I have  met a person who personally kissed Yassir Arafat. On the mouth. And who believed the founding of Israel was 'the Holocaust of the Palestinian people'. The fact he had been a decorated combat infantryman in 1973 changed little.

I have met a person who believed technological progress is evil. I have heard a person say "Of course Indian children are happy not to be starving due to Borlaug's work, but, on the other hand..."

I have seen people who disrupted classes to hold 're-enactments' of the terrible suffering of the Palestinian people at security checkpoints.

I have seen people - many of them Jews - put on fake 'Palestinian' garb and disrupt studies by shouting "With blood, and fire, we will regain Palestine!" in Arabic.

The bar is set really low here.

[Monkeyleg]

I think what they are trying to say is a variation on the "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" idea.  They are saying that if you didn't have a gun, you would find a non-violent solution to whatever comes your way.

They? You mean it took more than one person to write that letter, and it still was full of specious (at best) logic?

[Perd Hapley]

You've not met enough starry-eyed liberals.

But he's talked to some of our moderators...


Speaking of stupidity and confrontation, there were two small towns where I grew up, that developed a rivalry. Some mouth-breather actually wrote to the paper, suggesting that the two towns have a rumble, to decide which town was best.

[MillCreek]

But he's talked to some of our moderators...


Speaking of stupidity and confrontation, there were two small towns where I grew up, that developed a rivalry. Some mouth-breather actually wrote to the paper, suggesting that the two towns have a rumble, to decide which town was best.

I think I saw Springfield and Shelbyville do this on 'The Simpsons'.

[AJ Dual]

I don't even worry about it anymore. Since the Legislature scheduled the first hearing for tomorrow, that's a really good sign CCW has been fast-tracked, and we may well see a vote by June.

Any objections by the population at large, or the likes of Jeri Boniva at WAVE are moot. We just need to ride the legislature to get the best bill we can. I suspect we'll get an ultra-clean shall-issue bill, and that the Constitutional Carry bill is sacrificial to draw the bulk of the fire of anti's and libtards.

The fact that the Constitutional Carry bill has some big oversights like forgetting a second tier of optional shall-issue permits for reciprocity with other states makes me think this is a throw-away bill.

[Monkeyleg]

The fact that the Constitutional Carry bill has some big oversights like forgetting a second tier of optional shall-issue permits for reciprocity with other states makes me think this is a throw-away bill.

Even with Republicans having control of both chambers and the governor's office, and having stood up to the public unions, they're not going to take a beating for passing permit-less carry.

I suspect that the constitutional carry bill was introduced to mollify those who demand nothing less than permit-less carry ("See? We tried."), and also to make it seem like they were being reasonable by passing a bill that requires permits, rather than that risky and dangerous constitutional carry bill.

Of course, the only reason that Republicans are going to pass a carry bill is because they imagine that they need to pass a carry bill. One of the reasons that they never needed to pass a carry bill was that Wisconsin never had one. (For those of you in Rio Linda, please reference the quote from the letter in my first post).

[brimic]

Even with Republicans having control of both chambers and the governor's office, and having stood up to the public unions, they're not going to take a beating for passing permit-less carry.

I suspect that the constitutional carry bill was introduced to mollify those who demand nothing less than permit-less carry ("See? We tried."), and also to make it seem like they were being reasonable by passing a bill that requires permits, rather than that risky and dangerous constitutional carry bill.

Of course, the only reason that Republicans are going to pass a carry bill is because they imagine that they need to pass a carry bill. One of the reasons that they never needed to pass a carry bill was that Wisconsin never had one. (For those of you in Rio Linda, please reference the quote from the letter in my first post).

I wouldn't paint them all with the same brush. I have Grothman and Strochota representing me, both of which would want to pass the Constitutional carry on principal* if nothing else. On the other side are the squishy rinos like luther olsen who need to be voted out.


*They would pass it just so that no new state bureacracies are formed for licensing.

[KD5NRH]

Let's see if I can mimic this logic. Simply by carrying condoms on my person, I can vastly increase my chances of having a spontaneous orgy - and in fact, the reason I have never encountered a spontaneous orgy is because I do not run around with condoms at all times.

More accurately, because tons of people survived driving before seat belts were mandatory, (or even available) seat belts are absolutely unnecessary.  Moreover, seat belts cause wrecks and should be banned.

[Tallpine]

Well, no - I haven't been murdered yet.

But then if I had, I wouldn't be needing a gun anymore either.

 

[AJ Dual]

This is also ironic, because it's the current State Supreme Court affirmative defense to being caught illegally carrying right now.

"You must have a reasonable belief that you may be the victim of violent crime by having been a victim once before." 

[brimic]

"You must have a reasonable belief that you may be the victim of violent crime by having been a victim once before."

I was attacked by a cat once, does that count?