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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2011, 07:53:46 PM »
being stupid is supposed to have consequences.
you gotta see it to believe it.  some burnt out 19 year old standing up and proclaiming loudly "this is bogus dude!  he never read me my rights!"  and then that sad look as they go through "that door"
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Being stupid should have consequences.  Ruin your life due to drugs, fall on your face.  Die in the gutter.  Try and steal from me to get money for drugs, get shot in the face.  But jail?  So many things we make illegal, when instead we could just leave people the freedom to thin out the gene pool a little.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2011, 08:16:37 PM »
they can be thinned from the herd in jail too.  but in reality jail saves lives.  its like the dt's are gods way of telling you you drink too much.  waking up in jail and having a bit of time to reflect on your sins can be a turning point.  not wanting to go back can be inspirational as well
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2011, 08:27:23 PM »
they can be thinned from the herd in jail too.  but in reality jail saves lives.  its like the dt's are gods way of telling you you drink too much.  waking up in jail and having a bit of time to reflect on your sins can be a turning point.  not wanting to go back can be inspirational as well

Oh, the wonderful and inspirational effects of state-sponsored violence.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2011, 10:58:27 PM »
You keep using that word.

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Stupid, or consequences?  [popcorn]
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2011, 12:19:16 AM »
Oh, the wonderful and inspirational effects of state-sponsored violence.

A guy I know was just telling me today, that he knew he had to quit drinking when he realized that he was drinking every other day, and wearing hand-cuffs all the other days. Of course in his case, he wasn't being arrested merely for possessing or using his particular drug. I'm just saying that "state-sponsored violence" can sometimes have those wonderful and inspirational effects.

FTR, I'm OK with legalizing pot.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2011, 01:58:24 AM »
Stupid, or consequences?  [popcorn]

Consequences, of course.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2011, 02:03:32 AM »
A guy I know was just telling me today, that he knew he had to quit drinking when he realized that he was drinking every other day, and wearing hand-cuffs all the other days. Of course in his case, he wasn't being arrested merely for possessing or using his particular drug. I'm just saying that "state-sponsored violence" can sometimes have those wonderful and inspirational effects.

FTR, I'm OK with legalizing pot.

Let's get on the stuff we all agree with:

1. Both libertarians and conservatives, to the best of my knowledge, agree that the state is an violent actor. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. THe use of violence is often justified - to kill terrorists, imprison thieves and robbers, and (in the mind of everybody but anarchists) to collect the taxes necessary to support these activities. Again, this is not a criticism of the state per se, but a description of its nature.

2. To paraphrase the great Chris Rock, a law basically is society stating "I wouldn't do that s&^% if I were you." So in our scenario, marijuana prohibition is inherently society deciding to wave a police baton at the individual and threatening to thwack him one if he smokes/inhales. Should this individual then proceed to act against our instruction, is the person getting thwacked a consequence of his own action, or a consequence of our decision to make a threat and follow through?

Even granting - which I do not yet do, but I imagine some individuals might - that smoking weed under the current laws is stupid,  this does not yet justify, morally, these acts.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2011, 10:21:53 AM »
The State does not own your state of mind.

This nation is sorely confused about mind-altering substances.  What is permitted and what isn't is often "arbitrary," a nice way of saying someone's ox is getting gored and that someone's money pot is at risk.

Mind-altering substances have been coeval with the growth of human civilization, from time immemorial.  Some of sects that advanced liberty incorporated them as an intrinsic part of their rituals and process.

It always comes back to how and why anything is being used and beyond that to the virtue of the user.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2011, 02:02:49 PM »
they can be thinned from the herd in jail too.  but in reality jail saves lives.  its like the dt's are gods way of telling you you drink too much.  waking up in jail and having a bit of time to reflect on your sins can be a turning point.  not wanting to go back can be inspirational as well

This is where we differ.
It is not the Government's job to save our lives.  That is between us, our gods, and our families to decide.
Jail should be the last resort of government, a place for people who are violating the rights of others in such a fashion that they cannot be allowed to mingle with the general population for a period of time.  Getting stupid drunk only hurts yourself.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2011, 04:29:37 PM »
Getting stupid drunk only hurts yourself.



if that were at least 1/2 true i'd agree.  sadly not

http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/health_care_costs.htm
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2011, 08:42:03 AM »
Getting stupid drunk only hurts yourself.



if that were at least 1/2 true i'd agree.  sadly not

http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/health_care_costs.htm

Again, only because our socialist ways let us make this our problem.  Eliminate all forms of public health care. 
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2011, 08:57:58 AM »
The State does not own your state of mind.

This nation is sorely confused about mind-altering substances.  What is permitted and what isn't is often "arbitrary," a nice way of saying someone's ox is getting gored and that someone's money pot is at risk.

Mind-altering substances have been coeval with the growth of human civilization, from time immemorial.  Some of sects that advanced liberty incorporated them as an intrinsic part of their rituals and process.

It always comes back to how and why anything is being used and beyond that to the virtue of the user.

Did someone listen to the latest Common Sense podcast by Dan Carlin?  He said almost exactly the same thing.

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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2011, 09:46:00 AM »
Again, only because our socialist ways let us make this our problem.  Eliminate all forms of public health care. 


i take it you didn't read the part about the children of drunks?
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2011, 12:25:41 PM »
Actually, there are many areas regarding liberty that are being pissed on by our betters because of the pot issue.  Get caught with a joint and a gun? 
Individually, they are misdemeanors. Together, they are felony with mandatory sentencing. 

Those with NFA guns, medical MJ card, and CCW permit are very confused as to legality, but lawyers (in MT, least...) say it's legal, so does local BATFE office. Figure that.... ;/
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2011, 02:39:23 PM »

i take it you didn't read the part about the children of drunks?

Yes, and?

Parents do all sorts of things that help or hinder their kids.  It is not gov't's business to intervene, save in only the most excruciatingly extreme cases.  Just because some loser breeders are raising their kids the in the white trash way doesn't make it everybody's business.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2011, 02:40:32 PM »
but we do pay .  immediately and down the road
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2011, 04:06:48 PM »
"Did someone listen to the latest Common Sense podcast by Dan Carlin?  He said almost exactly the same thing.

Chris"

Not familiar with him.  Credit years of bumping around a bunch of Gnostics in L.A.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2011, 10:23:18 PM »
If a stone sober parent beats their kid because it's "gods will" shall we ban religion?
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2011, 10:19:50 AM »

i take it you didn't read the part about the children of drunks?

And? Its already illegal to beat your kids or neglect them.  Nothing like more statisim to control the subjects.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2011, 11:00:24 AM »
Drugs, like guns, are a tool, no better than their users.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2011, 01:05:31 PM »
but we do pay .  immediately and down the road

And when .gov tries to stop it, we still pay (because their efforts are almost but not entirely useless) but we also lose freedom as they try to "help" us for our own good.
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2011, 02:39:27 PM »
Drugs, like guns, are a tool, no better than their users.

Get in line, citizen. Logic is for your betters!
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2011, 02:48:17 PM »
And? Its already illegal to beat your kids or neglect them.  Nothing like more statisim to control the subjects.

apparently not that illegal or those stats would not exist
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2011, 02:56:47 PM »
apparently not that illegal or those stats would not exist

So, more laws will make it stop, right?  ;/
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Re: Ron Paul and Barney Frank team up to legalize weed
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2011, 03:30:31 PM »
apparently not that illegal or those stats would not exist

Not true and you know it.  The stats would exist until the laws were enforced 100% and perfectly (not true in either case).  More laws would not change that. 

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