Perry is offically in.

[seeker_two]

In New Hampshire the third question he fielded was on his EO on vaccination of females for HPV .
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61323.html

Evidently he made no attempt at a shuck-and-jive.

I think his answer was the very definition of "shuck-&-jive"..... 

[Ron]

Sorry, I'm not seeing any shucking or jiving.

“I signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the matter is I didn’t do my research well enough to understand that we needed to have a substantial conversation with our citizenry,” he said

What we should have done was a program that frankly should have allowed them to opt in, or some type of program like that, but here’s what I learned — when you get too far out in front of the parade they will let you know. And that’s exactly what our legislature did...

[Perd Hapley]

I agree, Ron. He said he did something wrong, and was corrected for it. If he's being coy about something, maybe the Texans with more detailed knowledge could enlighten us.

Now, let's bring on the real opposition research, like they used against Sarah. "That ain't yo' baby!"   

[seeker_two]

Sorry, I'm not seeing any shucking or jiving.

Let me use my Perry-to-English Dictionary.....

“I signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the matter is I didn’t do my research hide my financial ties with Merck well enough to understand that we needed to have a substantial conversation with cover story for our citizenry,” he said

What we should have done was a program that frankly should have allowed them to opt in, or some type of program like that, but here’s what I learned — when you get too far out in front of the parade in bed with big donors without having a better spin on the move  they will let you know. And that’s exactly what our legislature did...

....and, of all the baggage that Perry has attached to him, this is the least of his worries.... 

[MrsSmith]

This:

Maybe make a big chart like the one for AR manufacturers. 

And using these categories.

-Budget
-Reduction of scope of government
-two wars
-Wo(s)D
-GWoT
-Patriot Act
-Space dominance
-Eliminating government-induced distortion on free markets
-Currency stabilization
-TSA

It's the only way I can keep up with who's for or against what.

[Brad Johnson]

Let me use my Perry-to-English Dictionary.....

“I signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the matter is I didn’t do my research hide my financial ties with Merck well enough to understand that we needed to have a substantial conversation with cover story for our citizenry,” he said

What we should have done was a program that frankly should have allowed them to opt in, or some type of program like that, but here’s what I learned — when you get too far out in front of the parade in bed with big donors without having a better spin on the move  they will let you know. And that’s exactly what our legislature did...

....and, of all the baggage that Perry has attached to him, this is the least of his worries.... 

Gonna give examples or just stick with drive-by vitriol?

Brad

[seeker_two]

....and, of all the baggage that Perry has attached to him, this is the least of his worries.... 


Gonna give examples or just stick with drive-by vitriol?

http://www.google.com/search?q=Perry+Merck+tie&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7ADRA_en

Here's some light reading for you....though I'm surprised that, being a Texan and all, you didn't see it the first time around....

I've said all I can about Perry but this....if the Republicans coronate Perry as their POTUS candidate and he wins, I'm OK with that....if Perry's baggage causes him to give Obama a second try at gutting this nation, I'm pretty much done with the GOP and the political process in general....and I'll be more concerned with laying low and surviving the next October Revolution.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

[P5 Guy]

We could do better but we could also do much worse.  Texas right now is leading the nation in job creation (even if you don't count local/state/fed jobs).  I'd imagine if we can flush the house and senate, Perry would go along with a conservative congress.

And has since Ann Richards was Gov.

Can the country make it thru another Compassionate Conservative?

Why is Ron Paul being ignored? It must be too scary to even think about going back to the original intent of the Constitution?

[longeyes]

We don't know yet who and what Rick Perry is or whether we would prosper with him if he becomes President, but we DO know what we're facing if Obama gets a second term.  And THAT prospect should give us all grave pause.

And we know this too: Perry's only had his hat in for four days and already the armies of the night are gathering to utterly destroy him with all guns locked and loaded.  Already it's been implied he's a mad man, maybe a terrorist, and a racist.  That's in four days.

Can't wait for what lies ahead.

I think Seeker Two is articulating what a lot of us feel.  And that's that politically we're at the brink.  Either we see "the process" really begin to work again for the American people or a lot of us will be in hunker-down mode.

[Balog]

I actually think that if Obama wins (ideally barely squeaking in with lots of voter fraud allegations and a conservative equivalent of "Bush stole the election") that would be about the best possible outcome. Tea Party terrorist hobbits would be righteously pissed, the House and Senate might actually get people who want smaller .gov in, and 2016 would be lined up for a candidate I'm actually enthusiastic about instead of this field of bozos. 4 years of gridlock and prepping the field for actual change.

[longeyes]

You have a very sanguine view of a second Obama term.  If conservatives--not the GOP per se--control Congress, Obama would be neutralized.  Not otherwise.  That's not a bet I want to make. 

[Balog]

You have a very sanguine view of a second Obama term.  If conservatives--not the GOP per se--control Congress, Obama would be neutralized.  Not otherwise.  That's not a bet I want to make. 

And a squishy "conservative" like Romney  with a Congress controlled by socialists and country club Republicans would kill us just as surely as the Obamessiah.

[longeyes]

True, but we've been basically buying time in this country since the Founding Fathers, no?  The kind of liberty they envisioned was always an anomaly, swimming against the tide.  We're going to have to become much stronger swimmers, all of us, if we want this Republic to continue much longer except as a shadow of itself.  I think reforming what we have now will eventually prove to be impossible, and everyone will see this, probably sooner rather than later.  America One cannot carry America Two on its back much longer.  Perry's candidacy might be important less for the man himself than for what people at large want to read into it: the desire to emancipate the people who still believe in America from those who do not.

[AJ Dual]

And has since Ann Richards was Gov.

Can the country make it thru another Compassionate Conservative?

Why is Ron Paul being ignored? It must be too scary to even think about going back to the original intent of the Constitution?

Because Ron Paul is not electable.

I'd vote for RP in a heartbeat if he got the nomination, but everyone who likes to harp on how RP gets an unfair deal in the media and the electoral process is forgetting his huge negatives. Namely, old, kooky and un photo/telegenic and can be tripped up with the American middle where elections are decided in a five minute interview with questions about WOD/Pot, prostitution, and how 9/11 was "America's Fault". And he'll be done for.

I have much higher hopes for Rand Paul, who seems to have a much better understanding of how to play the "Libertarian double-agent wolf in Conservative sheep's clothing"-game much better.

We have a choice between making a principled stand with RP, and getting four more years of Obama and probably continued Democrat control of the Senate because there's no "coat tails" to ride with a POTUS electoral victory. And avoiding driving over a cliff into another Great Depression, and permanently cemented socialist control of the U.S. because we've finally tipped over the 50/50 line of no-return between "eaters" and "producers".

Frankly, RP is the exception that proves the rule to me that the Libertarians "Orange cheetos fingers in mom's basement"-image is largely an earned one, because they can only get ginned up for a Hail-Mary end-zone 100yard play for POTUS, and not make significant gains in city and state politics and actually build a base.

[longeyes]

Unelectable?

What you are doing is pointing out not Ron Paul's "negatives" but the negatives of today's American voter and why the electoral process has become all but meaningless.  I'm not saying I agree with all of R.P.'s positions, but if the American people cannot see beyond the fact that he is "old, kooky, and un-telegenic" we should save a lot of time and trouble and do this thing by how many hits someone gets on YouTube.

[Jamisjockey]

Is Ron Paul ignored because he's "unelectable", or is he "unelectable" because he's being ignored?
RP and everything he stands for is a clear and present danger to the status quo. First, he doesn't dumb down his positions to itty bitty sound bites for the unwashed masses and the Media to consume.  People don't understand him and are afraid of him.
He doesn't kowtow to the powers that be in the GOP.  So they're afraid of him.
He actually believes in social liberalisim/libertarianisim.  There is no underlying wish to use social liberalisim to control people. So the left is afraid of him.
As for his followers, I've never donned a wookie suit.  I've never left mountain dew bottles strewn over my front yard.  I've never lived in my parents basement. The most vocal of his supporters may fit that stereotype.  They are out front making the most noise.  So what?  It doesn't diminish his message in the least bit.

Can the country make it thru another Compassionate Conservative?

Perry is making alot of noise about putting DC under his thumb.  We can only hope he plans on using tea party sentiment to be the driving force behind his positions.  I have a sneaking suspicion the fix is in and its Perry.

[longeyes]

Ron Paul is the most dangerous sort of man: the kind who takes seriously the ideals that others profess to believe in but expediently ignore.  In other words, he is a man who really believes in liberty and points out what means and where it leads.  Nothing scarier.  I suspect the Founding Fathers, were they alive today, would get the exact same cold shoulder.

[gunsmith]

I would vote Ron in a minute but I don't think I'll be given a choice.
There is no longer a primary in NV which gives the old boy network here free reign
Rommney will will NV caucus even if every single registered  R wants Paul, it happened that way lest time & will this time - a fair election in NV & RP would be a shoo in for the Republican Presidential  candidate.

The Republican old boy network backed Reid in the Angle/Reid race and is corrupt as hell.

I have heard the neg's about Perry but I would rather have him then Rommney-better on the gun issue. We can not let BO select any more judges for SCOTUS  or we are doomed when it comes to more favorable decisions. We need a few more to get nationwide reciprocity & class three for regular folks

[AJ Dual]

Unelectable?

What you are doing is pointing out not Ron Paul's "negatives" but the negatives of today's American voter and why the electoral process has become all but meaningless.  I'm not saying I agree with all of R.P.'s positions, but if the American people cannot see beyond the fact that he is "old, kooky, and un-telegenic" we should save a lot of time and trouble and do this thing by how many hits someone gets on YouTube.

Well get out there then... all you have to do is convince a few hundred million people.  

And by that standard I bolded above, the Republic/American Voter has been a lost cause since the Kennedy/Nixon debates. The first significantly televised POTUS race.

Until they work from the ground up and build a significant block in the representative branches of state and the federal .gov, and so that perhaps they can build a plurality out of various groups that might gravitate towards them, it's all in vain.

[Jamisjockey]

Ron Paul is the most dangerous sort of man: the kind who takes seriously the ideals that others profess to believe in but expediently ignore.

QFT. 


This liberty thing we all profess to believe in is a fallacy.  We live in an illusion of freedom, of choice, and of liberty.  Ron Paul, he actually has a road map for that freedom to exist.

[Perd Hapley]

This liberty thing we all profess to believe in is a fallacy.  We live in an illusion of freedom, of choice, and of liberty.  Ron Paul, he actually has a road map for that freedom to exist.

Those words you're saying. I do not think they mean what you think they mean. Try again.

[MechAg94]

Frankly, RP is the exception that proves the rule to me that the Libertarians "Orange cheetos fingers in mom's basement"-image is largely an earned one, because they can only get ginned up for a Hail-Mary end-zone 100yard play for POTUS, and not make significant gains in city and state politics and actually build a base.

I think this statement is true.  Even if RP could get elected, who would he have to deal with to get anything done?  All those same D's and R's y'all keep complaining about.  Sure, there are lots of things he could do, but not as much as you all seem to dream about. 

[MechAg94]

I actually think that if Obama wins (ideally barely squeaking in with lots of voter fraud allegations and a conservative equivalent of "Bush stole the election") that would be about the best possible outcome. Tea Party terrorist hobbits would be righteously pissed, the House and Senate might actually get people who want smaller .gov in, and 2016 would be lined up for a candidate I'm actually enthusiastic about instead of this field of bozos. 4 years of gridlock and prepping the field for actual change.

If Obama were to win, what makes you think the Democrats wouldn't win Congress back?  If Republicans or the Tea Party win more seats in the House and Senate, it will likely coincide with a Repub Presidential Win.  Obama's popularity at the present time is unlikely to inspire any voter effort on his side.

[Jamisjockey]

Those words you're saying. I do not think they mean what you think they mean. Try again.

Keep telling yourself you're free.  The fix is in, and you are not that.

[Perd Hapley]

Keep telling yourself you're free.  The fix is in, and you are not that.

You think I'm telling myself that I am free? Free in what sense? When did I say I was a fix?

Are you free when you vote for Ron Paul, or what? Is it agreeing with longeyes that makes you all cryptic-like?