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C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« on: August 16, 2011, 10:40:56 AM »
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?93986-Message-about-GPal-from-County-of-Sonoma-DA&p=1593257#post1593257

The DA says that Canon was merely inept and since the credit card companies ended up with all the money he's not a crook.

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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 10:55:28 AM »
He's still on the hook in a handful to a dozen-odd states for running wire-transfer and payment processing operations without the proper licensing/approvals. And God only knows what kind of trouble he may still be in with the fed.gov over this all.

So in reality, this is just one local fraud case filed against him. The Gpal saga is far from over.

And of course, this is just the criminal side of the issue. It in no way exonerates him in terms of civil action over gross negligence.

And it's hard not to agree with the DA in that the whole mess is just due to incompetence, not malfeasance. Despite all the shady stuff, and how he presented the appearance of this well-heeled venture capitalist, Ben stood to make much more money if Gpal took off, rather than just "taking the money and running", which he didn't even do, another bank/credit-card seized Gpal's assets from some other debts owed prior, because Ben didn't firewall Gpal properly in terms of it's incorporation or financials.

He's still scum, just not the deliberate thieving kind. More of the flim-flam try to juggle everyone else's money until the profits roll in kind of scum.
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 11:12:08 AM »
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 [popcorn]

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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 11:22:33 AM »

He's still scum, just not the deliberate thieving kind. More of the flim-flam try to juggle everyone else's money until the profits roll in kind of scum.

I tend to agree.  It looks like he was way out of his depth on this project and other people got screwed as a result. 
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 11:41:47 AM »
I think the whole thing may have been a ruse to satisfy the default judgments against him from credit card companies.  What better way than to put a bunch of Other People's Money in a bank account set up as a sole proprietorship and wait for AMEX to find it and seize it.  Only then do you file for incorporation.  Everything after that was smoke and mirrors.

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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 01:04:55 PM »
I think the whole thing may have been a ruse to satisfy the default judgments against him from credit card companies.  What better way than to put a bunch of Other People's Money in a bank account set up as a sole proprietorship and wait for AMEX to find it and seize it.  Only then do you file for incorporation.  Everything after that was smoke and mirrors.



A good point, however those judgment amounts weren't nearly as big as even a reasonable success with Gpal would have made Ben, nor even as much wealth as he continually presented himself as having.

Honestly, I'm more pissed his incompetence and scamming deep-sixed something the online gun community really needed, and now puts a huge stain on anyone else trying to set such a system up, more than I am about the individual losses people suffered. Of course, anyone who actually lost anything, I more than understand their take on it.
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 02:12:36 PM »
screwing up is one of those things.  continuing to rope folks in to prop up your house of cards is where the ethical issues begin.  go to cast boolits and see what the named employee has to say

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=89122&highlight=gpal&page=231


both about this and the earlier shenanigans

he duped many folks into putting their reps on the line backing and defending him way past any hope of recovery
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 02:31:50 PM »
A good point, however those judgment amounts weren't nearly as big as even a reasonable success with Gpal would have made Ben, nor even as much wealth as he continually presented himself as having.

Honestly, I'm more pissed his incompetence and scamming deep-sixed something the online gun community really needed, and now puts a huge stain on anyone else trying to set such a system up, more than I am about the individual losses people suffered. Of course, anyone who actually lost anything, I more than understand their take on it.

Doesn't Amazon offer a paypal-like service, with no anti gun bs attached?
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 03:17:15 PM »
Doesn't Amazon offer a paypal-like service, with no anti gun bs attached?

Hmmm.... I'll have to look into that.
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2011, 04:18:48 PM »
I suspect CSD isn't the only one.

I am all for caveat emptor, but Gpal pushed that past the breaking point.
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Re: C&SD will be miffed - GPal cleared
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2011, 04:37:16 PM »
By the way.

Dwolla is the answer to the problem GPal was originally trying to solve.
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