how bad

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

is it between paul and perry?  i gotta admit perry going over to pauls lectern rubs me the wrong way

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/8/perry-vs-paul-texas-sized-war/

[CNYCacher]

Better pictures here

http://www.freedom-won.net/rick-perry-threatens-ron-paul-during-gop-debate-commercial/#more-1685

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

huh  thats even worse\

i think perry was stung cause paul was right
and i really gotta question his "bypass the legislature" policy
so mitt and rick are out  who's next?  paul is looking better to me each day

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i wish paul , or someone else for that matter, had popped perry in the chops.

[Jocassee]

huh  thats even worse\

i think perry was stung cause paul was right
and i really gotta question his "bypass the legislature" policy
so mitt and rick are out  who's next?  paul is looking better to me each day

True story.

I have talked to more than a few people who like RP (almost always with exception to his foreign policy--but that is truly the man's only weak point). The standard line of thought: "Yeah he was right about the Crash, and the economy, and the Fed, but nobody will vote for him because he sounds like a crazy old man."

I've literally heard iterations of that a hundred times. People think they are the only ones in the crowd who are secret Paul fans when in reality, the Media has kept such a tight lid on him that those who think "huh, he has some good points" don't say anything because they think their buddies would make fun of them.

Screw 'em. Ron Paul, crazy or not, is the only one who has a handle on how this mess started and how to fix it.

[Jocassee]

huh  thats even worse\

i think perry was stung cause paul was right
and i really gotta question his "bypass the legislature" policy
so mitt and rick are out  who's next?  paul is looking better to me each day

What was the issue they were discussing?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

when perry crossed over during the commercial?
i think it was perry's hurt feelings

[Perd Hapley]

We already had a debate thread. For people who waste their time with that sort of thing.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Perry was introduced at my alma mater as "a good old boy who knows the good old boy system." This was a high compliment.

Perry's working hard to play the libertarian card - look at how Paul's numbers dropped once Perry said he was running. Perry's now trashing the Federal Reserve. Paul is his biggest enemy, since Paul also appeals strongly to the libertarian contingent. The liberal wing of the Republican party goes to Mitt, with lesser numbers going to Huntsman. Perry's got to get the more conservative wing. And with Bachmann taking the religious right element and Paul taking the libertarians, Perry might very well be screwed.

Besides that, he's probably mad at being called a Texas cheerleader in Paul's latest ad.  

i wish paul , or someone else for that matter, had popped perry in the chops.

That would've been great television.

[brimic]

Perry's working hard to play the libertarian card - look at how Paul's numbers dropped once Perry said he was running. Perry's now trashing the Federal Reserve. Paul is his biggest enemy, since Paul also appeals strongly to the libertarian contingent. The liberal wing of the Republican party goes to Mitt, with lesser numbers going to Huntsman. Perry's got to get the more conservative wing. And with Bachmann taking the religious right element and Paul taking the libertarians, Perry might very well be screwed

Does it not seem like every election cycle is simply just political theatre to nominate a predetermined candidate?

I don't see how mitt doesn't get the nomination- the media will always be biased towards the weakest repub candidate.

[roo_ster]

Am I the only one who thinks that it is a good thing for these folks to make a fight of it?  I think that whoever emerges from the scrap will be better for it.  "Steel sharpens steel" and all that.

I am glad Paul is nipping at Perry's right flank.  I also liked born-again-hard on immigration Mitt getting after Perry's squishy illegal alien/border policy.  If Mitt & Paul can toughen up Perry, all the better if he gets the nomination.

Paul is no great threat to Perry, though.  Best he could do is either take a point or two or force Perry to tack right a bit.

[brimic]

I also liked born-again-hard on

Thats what she said.

[roo_ster]

Thats what she said.

Don't hyphenventilate over a play on words.

[RoadKingLarry]

Does it not seem like every election cycle is simply just political theatre to nominate a predetermined candidate?

I don't see how mitt doesn't get the nomination- the media will always be biased towards the weakest repub candidate.

I wouldn't be surprised at a Romney/Huntsman ticket from the stupid party.

[MicroBalrog]

Remember Perry snubbed/insulted Paul in the previous primary. Remember "no Texans running for President"?

[kgbsquirrel]

Better pictures here

http://www.freedom-won.net/rick-perry-threatens-ron-paul-during-gop-debate-commercial/#more-1685

Was feeling bored, so I took the current poll data from the MSNBC website and properly proportioned all the bars on the graph relative to each other. Looks a lot different now for some reason.  

Before:



After:

[Jocassee]

Was feeling bored, so I took the current poll data from the MSNBC website and properly proportioned all the bars on the graph relative to each other. Looks a lot different now for some reason.  

Before:



After:

It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.

At least that's what I think they're doing...

[brimic]

It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.

At least that's what I think they're doing...

Maybe Paul won't get ignored by the media then?

[kgbsquirrel]

It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.

At least that's what I think they're doing...

Do you have proof the poll has been thrown? Even moving my laptop to a different IP address (ie. from home to work) didn't allow me to vote a second time.

[MicroBalrog]

Do you have proof the poll has been thrown? Even moving my laptop to a different IP address (ie. from home to work) didn't allow me to vote a second time.

Clean out cookies.

[CNYCacher]

It bothers me that the Paulites continue to throw polls, intentionally.

At least that's what I think they're doing...

More likely that he is simply more popular than you expect.

Also, when the pollster engages in blatant misrepresentation like that, the word of the poll spreads faster among Paul supporters than other supporters.

[Perd Hapley]

More likely that he is simply more popular than you expect.

Also, when the pollster engages in blatant misrepresentation like that, the word of the poll spreads faster among Paul supporters than other supporters.

Is it blatant misrepresentation, or is it making things fit on a web page? It still shows Paul with a huge lead, so what's the problem?

[kgbsquirrel]

Clean out cookies.

Tried that as well, still didn't allow me to vote more than once.

[Jocassee]

Tried that as well, still didn't allow me to vote more than once.

I don't think they're voting twice. I think an e-mail goes out the night before to the Ron Paul list that says "make sure to vote for Ron tomorrow after the debate! Even if he loses miserably! (which he didn't). And because there are so many die-hard Paulites out there they show up and vote in greater numbers than Perry or Romney fans.

It's not that they're THROWING the poll, per se, it's just that they are organizing to a degree that makes the results invalid.

[erictank]

I don't think they're voting twice. I think an e-mail goes out the night before to the Ron Paul list that says "make sure to vote for Ron tomorrow after the debate! Even if he loses miserably! (which he didn't). And because there are so many die-hard Paulites out there they show up and vote in greater numbers than Perry or Romney fans.

It's not that they're THROWING the poll, per se, it's just that they are organizing to a degree that makes the results invalid.

Not like it's Paul's fault the other candidates' supporters can't be bothered to get off their freakin' couches and vote for them...