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NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« on: September 08, 2011, 07:08:06 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=14473242

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"I know they arrived without documents, especially my father's father," the Republican said Wednesday in an interview in Spanish with KLUZ-TV, the Albuquerque Univision affiliate.

OK, let's summarize here:

Grandparents were illegal, and you have coyly avoided answering the question so you would not be called a liar.

But wait, you are a politician, and smooth lying is a required job skill.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 09:36:22 AM »
So he's a born U.S. citizen, and the son of U.S. citizens? Why are we caring?
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 09:40:21 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on September 09, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
So she's a born U.S. citizen, and the son of U.S. citizens? Why are we caring?

That was my thought. I'm not responsible for the crimes of my grandparents. (Or even my parents.)

Also, Micro, Gov. Martinez is a she.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 09:44:05 AM »
Are the grandparents still illegal?

I work with a guy who used to be illegal, but got legal through one of those past amnesties.  He is a hell of a hard worker with a lot of initiative so I really don't care since he is legal now.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 09:45:59 AM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on September 09, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
Are the grandparents still illegal?

I would guess they are dead. I don't think anyone who is dead is breaking immigration laws.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 10:10:45 AM »
Quote from: makattak on September 09, 2011, 09:40:21 AM
That was my thought. I'm not responsible for the crimes of my grandparents. (Or even my parents.)

Also, Micro, Gov. Martinez is a she.


Bah, I was thinking of former governor Johnson.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 10:55:45 AM »
My great-great-great-great-grandparents probably came over without any documentation also.   :lol:
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2011, 11:18:38 AM »
Quote from: makattak on September 09, 2011, 09:45:59 AM
I would guess they are dead. I don't think anyone who is dead is breaking immigration laws.

IDK, Where are they buried?  >:D
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2011, 02:16:33 PM »
My concern is about the dodging and dancing by the governor.

Seems that the rumors and assumptions have been floating for several years.

The irony is her staunch stance against illegal immigration.

At this point, I am just calling out the hypocrisy and lies that we hear from our politicians.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2011, 02:40:59 PM »
her grand parents actions make her a hypocrite? or you believe she knew grandpa's status? i don't know that i ever saw my grandpa's papers and he never ran out on the family.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2011, 07:36:01 PM »
Quote from: Jamie B on September 09, 2011, 02:16:33 PM
My concern is about the dodging and dancing by the governor.

Seems that the rumors and assumptions have been floating for several years.

The irony is her staunch stance against illegal immigration.

At this point, I am just calling out the hypocrisy and lies that we hear from our politicians.

It may be ironic in a sense, but I'm not sure it translates into hypocrisy. Could you explain?
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2011, 10:51:55 AM »
The issue isn't whether she's legal it's whether legality matters to her.  The distinction blurs more and more by the day--by design, of course.  The rule of law becomes the ruse of law.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2011, 11:43:30 AM »
Quote from: longeyes on September 10, 2011, 10:51:55 AM
The issue isn't whether she's legal it's whether legality matters to her.  The distinction blurs more and more by the day--by design, of course.  The rule of law becomes the ruse of law.

....and makes one wonder if the legality of anything should matter to us anymore....
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2011, 12:46:43 PM »
We seem to be drifting, for better or worse, toward tribal custom and naked power plays.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2011, 01:10:18 PM »
Quote from: longeyes on September 10, 2011, 10:51:55 AM
The issue isn't whether she's legal it's whether legality matters to her.  The distinction blurs more and more by the day--by design, of course.  The rule of law becomes the ruse of law.

Why should the legality of what her grandparents did matter to her? She's not responsible for it.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2011, 01:39:13 PM »
It should matter to her because her job is to uphold the law.  Today.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2011, 01:43:51 PM »
Quote from: longeyes on September 10, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
It should matter to her because her job is to uphold the law. Today.


This being the key point.
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Re: NM Gov. - Grandparents Came to US Illegally
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2011, 03:19:46 PM »
the more so since grandpa went out for milk and never came back.  i wonder if she ever even met him.
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