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wow just wow
« on: October 21, 2011, 08:38:55 AM »
2 year old hit by 2 vehicles minutes apart and 18 people just walk by as she lies there bleeding

http://www.bangstyle.com/2011/10/two-year-old-run-over-twice-18-people-ignore-her-as-she-bleeds/
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 08:50:13 AM »
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 09:00:00 AM »
Two words...

Kitty Genovese
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 09:04:37 AM »
Two words...

Kitty Genovese

Two more words:

Urban Legend.

(No, not as in she didn't die. As in the neighbors all knew exactly what was going on and ignored it.)
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 09:22:42 AM »
Also, I read somewhere that the driver was quoted as saying it would only cost him $1500 if she died and he'd have to pay far more if she lived. (I also read recently conflicting reports, so I'm not taking that as fact.)

HAD anyone said that about my little girl, he wouldn't even have to worry about paying the $1500.
I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.

So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought

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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 09:37:10 AM »
i heard a similar story about mexican bus drivers hitting folks  the van driver got her with the front wheels  stopped then started again and got her with rear wheels.  he and i would have issues
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 11:32:58 AM »
Two more words:

Urban Legend.

(No, not as in she didn't die. As in the neighbors all knew exactly what was going on and ignored it.)


Part urban legend, part not urban legend. It wasn't as callous as portrayed in the New York Times or by some later writers on the subject, but it was still a marked display of indifference by a significant number of people.

But, even if it were a complete and total fabrication, it would still be applicable as a comparator to this incident in China. Why? Because people understand the Kitty Genovese incident to be one of gross societal indifference, and that was certainly the case in what happened in China.
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 01:08:05 PM »

Part urban legend, part not urban legend. It wasn't as callous as portrayed in the New York Times or by some later writers on the subject, but it was still a marked display of indifference by a significant number of people.

But, even if it were a complete and total fabrication, it would still be applicable as a comparator to this incident in China. Why? Because people understand the Kitty Genovese incident to be one of gross societal indifference, and that was certainly the case in what happened in China.

Very true. Many of the articles paint this as a massive shock (or maybe just embarrassment) to the Chinese. Maybe some reform and protection of good samaritans will come of this. I can only hope something good will arise from this horrible evil.
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 01:47:19 PM »
I'm a New Yorker & remember the Kitty Genovese thing, even though I was young.
The problem was everyone else thought someone else would call the police or run to the rescue. One famous response was they didn't want to interrupt their Monopoly game. 

However, sometimes the whole neighborhood gets involved - one time a guy knocked an old lady down & grabbed her purse, he had to be rescued by the cops.

Good Samaritans in China have lost big time in court is what I've heard, plus its a totally different culture, I cant remember exactly but a study once reported that being injured is like "losing face" ( over there ) & by stopping to help you're causing them embarrassment.

I was riding my bike in Manhattan ( seems like a generation ago ) & saw a young lady take a bad spill, she was Chinese, her friends just stood there and laughed but it was a nervous/embarrassed laugh ... I yelled at them, horrified and helped her up her knee was busted open pretty bad & she was in a good deal of pain. After I helped her up though she didn't want any help & seemed embarrassed ...

Just a different culture, I lived in China town SF, I was getting on a bus when I saw an old Chinese lady struggling to get on board so I moved & held the door for her and a Chinese guy in his thirties practically knocked her over to get on in front of her.
I was thinking about punching him in the face but that was in the old days when I carried without a permit & could not attract much police attention.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 02:04:33 PM »
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 03:42:25 PM »
I've seen the video on tv.

Inside a market hall a van driver knocks down a child with the front bumper at snails pace and runs her over with his right front wheel and stops for a bit. He then continues to drive for the afore mentioned reasons, the girl at the first roll-over still moves but doesn't any more after she's got under the rear tire. People (with children) pass by and move on. One lady is dragging the child to the side so she won't be in the middle of the markethall anymore. Like you'd get an obstacle out of the way. Only then comes the mother and picks up the motionless not yet dead child.

I hope I'm not racist because I don't think I've seen any human beings, the victim aside, in that video.

And no, Kitty Genovese fits nowhere in this picture.

   
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Re: wow just wow
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 09:58:08 PM »
it seems as if no one in the vid has any clue on keeping a trauma victim immobile until rescue comes.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 11:33:33 PM »
Rescue does not come in China.  You are picked up and trotted off to the hurtspital.

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