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Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« on: October 28, 2011, 01:57:42 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/27/injured-libyan-fighters-to-receive-us-medical-care/?test=latestnews

Really, WTF over.  We have a hard enough time giving our wounded service members proper treatment and we are going to do this for who.  And who in the hell is going to pay for this BS. 
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The U.S. Department of State said Thursday that 30 seriously wounded Libyan fighters will receive U.S. medical care since they cannot be successfully treated in their home country.

I know it says later in the article that the Libyan "government" is willing to reimburse the cost.  Really, what if the "government" isn't the "government" in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 03:17:03 AM »
Compared to the cost of the Tomahawk missiles that were launched this is likely a pittance.
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 09:27:27 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on October 28, 2011, 03:17:03 AM
Compared to the cost of the Tomahawk missiles that were launched this is likely a pittance.

Cost's don't matter.  These rebels freedom fighters are not our problem.
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 09:29:23 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on October 28, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
Cost's don't matter.  These rebels freedom fighters are not our problem.

This.  Plus as I stated in the OP.  How can a government say they are going to reimburse for the cost when that government might not be in power next week?
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 10:39:04 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on October 28, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
Cost's don't matter.  These rebels freedom fighters are not our problem.

I don't see the issue. These people fought on the same side as Western powers did in a war. Helping them seems the decent thing to do.

Sort of how Israel gave SLA fighters asylum after we lost the First Lebanese War.
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 10:42:17 AM »
Wait, you guys fought the Lesbians?
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 10:53:53 AM »
Well from my experience, first we have U.S. Service Members; active, discharged and/or retired that have to fight tooth and nail to get the medical treatment they "earned" and were promised when they stepped forward and signed their name on the line.  We need to take care of them first.  Then if there is time and room take care of an ally.

Second I know of at the time 4-5 year old Iraqi child who was at risk to lose his eyesight from an accident and his father was an interpertor for us.  Had been from day one and in the beginning was one of the first ones through a door, unarmed.  The U.S. government said that they couldn't help the child since it wasn't from U.S. involvement.  The father came real close to throwing away any chance of U.S. citizenship to save his son's eyesight.  He put his faith in God and thankfully his son didn't lose all the sight.  And he now is living in the U.S. with his family.  There was a specialist in Iraq at the time who could've fixed the eye.

So yeah I am a little bitter and really don't believe it is our duty to fix these people.  Especially by bringing them to the U.S.  Hell it would be cheaper to send a medical team to them to fix them.
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Re: Injured Libyan Fighters to Receive U.S. Medical Care
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 11:19:14 AM »
We don't even know if the new government will be a friend or foe.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 11:22:31 AM »
Quote from: Monkeyleg on October 28, 2011, 11:19:14 AM
We don't even know if the new government will be a friend or foe.

The new government =/= necessarily these people. By choosing to side with them in this fight America has already declared itself their friend. There were both Islamic (even AQ-friendly) and liberal factions among the rebels. I don't see why an individual who fought against Quaddhafi and may not necessarily be an AQ member should not be given medical aid. It's not like they're being given luxury homes and welfare payments.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 11:26:10 AM »
Ok so we will send them to Israel and they can deal with it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 11:28:00 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on October 28, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
The new government =/= necessarily these people. By choosing to side with them in this fight America has already declared itself their friend. There were both Islamic (even AQ-friendly) and liberal factions among the rebels. I don't see why an individual who fought against Quaddhafi and may not necessarily be an AQ member should not be given medical aid. It's not like they're being given luxury homes and welfare payments.

Then you pay for it.  You're closer anyway.

They asked for help (bombs) and got it because some NATO countries saw a chance for cheaper oil.  Now they're asking for more help.  What benifit for us does this hold?  We did what they asked for in their little revolution.  Let them pick up the pieces.

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We don't even know if the new government will be a friend or foe.

Some of us have a pretty strong suspicion which they will end up being.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 11:31:34 AM »
They are on record saying Sharia Law is going to rule.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 11:34:50 AM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 28, 2011, 11:31:34 AM
They are on record saying Sharia Law is going to rule.

1. Libyans =/= National Council or whatever it's called this week. There are multiple groups of people and we don't know which one these specific injured rebels belong to.
This council is about as representative of individual Libyan as the opinion of Justice Ginsburg is of you.

2. Sharia law, as we explained multiple times on this forum, can mean a variety of things.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 11:37:55 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on October 28, 2011, 11:34:50 AM
1. Libyans =/= National Council or whatever it's called this week. There are multiple groups of people and we don't know which one these specific injured rebels belong to.

I don't give a rat's ass which group they belong to.  There are other people, U.S. Service Members first and foremost, that deserve and have earned to be treated first.  When they can do that right then I would think about bring in others.  But there is a long way to go before they get it right on treating U.S. Service Members.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 01:25:14 PM »
For some time the prevailing policy has been Invade the World, Invite the World.  Don't worry about the medical care, worry about the thousands who will sure as heck be invited here to become part of the American melting pot.
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 03:09:02 PM »
I can understand trying to help them out and making friends.  I would expect we would treat and assist in Libya and maybe only a few really severe cases come to the US.  

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The severity of the injuries were unclear, but 24 wounded fighters will receive treatment at Spaulding Hospital in Boston, Mass., and six others will be treated in Germany. All of the injuries occurred during recent fighting.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/27/injured-libyan-fighters-to-receive-us-medical-care/?test=latestnews#ixzz1c6aFUAT2
Judging by the article, it looks like we are doing that and it really isn't all that big a deal.  We are going to help 30 severe cases.  Small effort might gain some good will at a chaotic time.
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 03:39:34 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 28, 2011, 10:42:17 AM
Wait, you guys fought the Lesbians?

Well, they were butch.

As for the OP, if we want to provide them medical care....aw hell, I can't even fake it.  Why are we throwing $$$ at Libya again?
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 09:36:24 PM »
Wow - we just bombed their country, and have backed a council that has a proven track record of murder and Islamic radicalism, and now treating a few of the wounded is an outrage?

This is the least we can do to ameliorate the suffering our policies will help to create.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2011, 10:07:04 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on October 28, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
This is the least we can do to ameliorate the suffering our policies will help to create.

Well, that's the problem at the root, isn't it?  Our "leaders" are addicted to a policy cycle of inflicting suffering, then "healing" it by making yet other people suffer.  The cycle needs to be broken, but the people we now have in power are incapable of doing it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2011, 11:45:43 PM »
Quote from: De Selby on October 28, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
Wow - we just bombed their country, and have backed a council that has a proven track record of murder and Islamic radicalism, and now treating a few of the wounded is an outrage?

This is the least we can do to ameliorate the suffering our policies will help to create.

And Colonel  Gadhafi was a saint, who had nothing to do with the evil that befell all those Libyans for the past decades ...... [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]:facepalm:   :facepalm:
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2011, 12:06:22 AM »
Quote from: De Selby on October 28, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
Wow - we just bombed their country, and have backed a council that has a proven track record of murder and Islamic radicalism, and now treating a few of the wounded is an outrage?

This is the least we can do to ameliorate the suffering our policies will help to create.

Quote from: TommyGunn on October 28, 2011, 11:45:43 PM
And Colonel  Gadhafi was a saint, who had nothing to do with the evil that befell all those Libyans for the past decades ...... [tinfoil] [tinfoil] [tinfoil]:facepalm:   :facepalm:

Where is it written that we had to get involved in Libya in the first place?  Hell Obama at first didn't want to get involved.  But what I find really funny is that the same people who backed Obama in the bombing of Gadhafi and his troops, because he was an evil dictator, are the same ones who were all over Bush for the same to Sadam, who was more evil.  Why haven't we supported any other groups wanting to overthrow governments in the Middle East, such as in Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Bahrain, etc...  Oh, I know why, those leaders are our "friends."  We were under no obligation to help out in Libya other than Obama got pressured into it from NATO and his own party.  Man has no cajones.
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2011, 11:07:03 AM »
Friendship in politics?  Just one more sentimental delusion perpetrated by those who know better and who really run things.

What we know right now is that North Africa, with our help, is becoming subject to Shari'a law.  Either that wasn't our plan and we were foolish or it was the plan and we really ought to be asking the right people a hard WHY.
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2011, 05:11:46 PM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 29, 2011, 12:06:22 AM
Where is it written that we had to get involved in Libya in the first place?  Hell Obama at first didn't want to get involved.  But what I find really funny is that the same people who backed Obama in the bombing of Gadhafi and his troops, because he was an evil dictator, are the same ones who were all over Bush for the same to Sadam, who was more evil.  Why haven't we supported any other groups wanting to overthrow governments in the Middle East, such as in Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Bahrain, etc...  Oh, I know why, those leaders are our "friends."  We were under no obligation to help out in Libya other than Obama got pressured into it from NATO and his own party.  Man has no cajones.
Considering we spent the last 10 years trying to get as much help from our Allies in Afghanistan and Iraq, you have to figure this was a little payback. 
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2011, 08:45:14 PM »
Quote from: longeyes on October 29, 2011, 11:07:03 AM
Friendship in politics?  Just one more sentimental delusion perpetrated by those who know better and who really run things.

So there's no actual problem with "betraying" thugs like Quaddhafi? Good to know!
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2011, 08:56:07 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 28, 2011, 10:42:17 AM
Wait, you guys fought the Lesbians?

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