A new low...

[T.O.M.]

As a part of my magistrate position, I hear complaints seeking to remove children from abusive/neglectful/dangerous homes.  In Ohio, Child Protective Services goes through the county prosecutor, a complaint is filed, and the matter tried to the juvenile court (bench, no jury).

Last week, I'm heaaring one of the cases.  Prosecutor ain't doing so hot proving the case to me.  All of the sudden, out of nowhere, this happened:
Pros: "Do you have any weapons in your home?"
Dad: "Yes."
Pros:  "And, do you have any assault weapons?"
Dad: "No."
Pros: "But you have automic weapons, true?"
Dad: "No.  Semi-auto, but not auto."
Pros: "So, assault weapons."
Dad: "No, a semi-auto rifle and shotgun."
Pros: "And you carry a weapon?"
Dad: "I have a permit."
Pros: "wouldn't you agree that it's dangerous for children to be in the same home where you have assault weapons and carry a gun?"
Dad: "No, I think that makes them safer."

After throwing out the State's case, I asked the Dad's lawyer why she didn't object to the weapon questions.  She smirked and pointed to my desk.  A copy of American Rifleman was sitting on top of my mail.  Guess she wins the prize for paying attention to her surroundings.  She then said "takes on to know one" and showed me a copy of Hundgun magazine in her briefcase.   

[wmenorr67]

Looks like Dad has a good one.

And doesn't the prosecutor know your beliefs?

[Tallpine]

automic weapons

Full-auto nukes 

 

[RoadKingLarry]

Full-auto nukes

Heck, you can get them at any gunshow with no paperwork or ID required.

[Unisaw]

The younger generation gets them on the Internet.

[Northwoods]

So, other than a hoplophobic CPS caseworker/prosecutor what he in there for?

[Hawkmoon]

Good for you, for tossing the prosecutor's case out the window. Too bad you couldn't have fined him/her for bringing a frivolous action. A prosecutor who doesn't know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic, and who doesn't know what an assault weapon is, should know better than to start asking questions about that subject matter.

[Perd Hapley]

"automic weapons"

Yes please!

[T.O.M.]

My 2A beliefs are well known.  The B-27 target hanging on the wall speaks volumes.  Running joke around here is that I have a sawed-off shotgun under the bench, and I'm not doiing anything to shut down that rumor.   

This prosecutor is just an idiot, and I say that with respect to much of his work, not just this case.  original basis for the case was (1) prescription drug abuse, (2) medical neglect, and (3) unemployment/homelessness.  Guy had good prescriptions for 300 oxycodon a month (face was hit by a crane hook last summer...can you say titanium face structure?  Girl's medical care is slightly neglected, but can be addressed short of foster care.  Dad found a job and is renting a moblie home from a relative.

[Tallpine]

This prosecutor is just an idiot, and I say that with respect to much of his work, not just this case.  original basis for the case was (1) prescription drug abuse, (2) medical neglect, and (3) unemployment/homelessness.  Guy had good prescriptions for 300 oxycodon a month (face was hit by a crane hook last summer...can you say titanium face structure?  Girl's medical care is slightly neglected, but can be addressed short of foster care.  Dad found a job and is renting a moblie home from a relative.

Is this part of the kick a man when he is down department ?   

[Strings]

And yet there's a case here in town. Mother is a drug dealer, and regularly beats her teenage boy.

Boy tells his social worker everything that's going on: SW contacts the mother to "discuss concerns". Boy gets yet another beating...

SW absolutely refuses to do ANYTHING about it...

[Fitz]

That's because if you're a Dad, you gotta fight to keep your kids, but if you're a Mom, you practically have to kill 'em before they'll take em away.

The *expletive deleted*ing inconsistency in this stuff infuriates me

[BridgeRunner]

It's not illegal to be broke and down on your luck.

Unless you have minor children.

Any way to address the CPS jackassery in the long term? Before you dismiss it, that's a whole lot of sheer terror no parent needs. :/

[T.O.M.]

That's because if you're a Dad, you gotta fight to keep your kids, but if you're a Mom, you practically have to kill 'em before they'll take em away.

The *expletive deleted*ing inconsistency in this stuff infuriates me

I've been talking about dad, but mom was right here in court, next to dad, with her own lawyer.  They are together, just not married, so each must have his or her own lawyer.

And, I don't fault the CPS worker sitting before me in Court.  her job was to investigate and present the facts to the supervisors and the prosecutor.  It was those asshats that decided to seek a removal order.  I can understand concern about a home that is getting over 600 oxycodoe pills per months prescribed to the two adults, but the scripts are valid.  No evidence presented of doc shopping for meds. 

And, just to keep the rumors going, what ammo should I load up in my Serbu Super Shorty cut-down shotgun???

[Fitz]

Wasn't talking about your case necessarily, was referencing the poster above me.

[MillCreek]

I think that in a lot of courtrooms, creating an inference of gun ownership equals danger to vulnerable persons, would get a lot of traction.

[Angel Eyes]

And, just to keep the rumors going, what ammo should I load up in my Serbu Super Shorty cut-down shotgun???

Hornady Zombie Max, of course: http://www.hornady.com/store/12-Ga-00-Z-MAX

Just leave an empty box where it's likely to be seen by colleagues.

[AJ Dual]

And, just to keep the rumors going, what ammo should I load up in my Serbu Super Shorty cut-down shotgun???

Do they call it the Rhodesian jungle load or something? 00 buck with something like #4 birdshot poured into the voids between the big balls.

[TechMan]

"Hollow Point" Slug

http://www.ddupleks.lv/EN/articles/show/products

[roo_ster]

It's not illegal to be broke and down on your luck.

Unless you have minor children.

Any way to address the CPS jackassery in the long term? Before you dismiss it, that's a whole lot of sheer terror no parent needs. :/

Saw that happen, "guilty of neglect by way of poverty."  Happens more to citizens than illegals herebouts.

[Lee]

Awesome - good for you! 

[Hawkmoon]

I think that in a lot of courtrooms, creating an inference of gun ownership equals danger to vulnerable persons, would get a lot of traction.

Not just in court. My wife and I adopted last year. The formal process started two years before and included a mandated home study by a licensed adoption social worker. By the end, given how long our convoluted international adoption took, the social worker and I became friends but, in the beginning, she really didn't know quite what she had sitting in front of her for those 12 or 14 lengthy interview sessions. First, she's enough younger than I that she knows about Vietnam only by word-of-mouth, so to her "Vietnam veteran" equaled "baby killer." And THEN she had to ask if there are any guns in the house.

Me: A few.

ASW: How many is a few? Three?

Me: More.

ASW: Six?

Me: More.

ASW: Well, how many.

Me: I honestly don't know. I've never counted them.

ASW: Do you have bullets (sic) in the house, too?

Me: Of course. A gun is useless without ammunition.

ASW: How much ammunition do you have?

Me: I don't know. Maybe 10,000 or 20,000 rounds, give or take.



You had to be there. The look on her face was priceless. I thought the adoption was ended right then and there, but she hung in there. I have to give her credit.

[wmenorr67]

Imagine adopting your step-daughter of 10+ years, being in the military with a TS clearance and still have to go through a background check and have an issue because my prints were in the FBI system.  Problem was they were there from my DUI.  Adoption still went through but still the BS.

[seeker_two]

Odd you bring up adoption....we're having our home study today; and, for the first time in my life, I have to separate my guns from my ammo....at least until the adoption caseworker leaves. And to think that I grew up in a home with guns and ammo in easy reach and "gun safety" was taught, not a process involving locks & separate containers.... 

[T.O.M.]

For those who adopt...I thank you.  Really and truly.  There are many cases I see of child abuse and neglect where the children simply must be permanently removed from parents, and it is a relief to know that, on the other side, there are good people who are able and willing to give these children a great life when all is said and done.  I know that when I make the order, a child is going to be hurt.  My only solace is that the pain is temporary, and that the adoption will bring more happiness to the child than the pain I cause. 

And, before anyone comes to my rescue, I know that the pain I cause is kind of like a surgeon's pain.  It's absolutely necessary for the child's ongoing well-being.  I accept that.  But I know it's going to hurt, and no matter how rational I try to be about it, it does weigh on me that I'm hurting the children.  Knowing a good family is on the other side helps.

(Sorry, just made one of those orders at 9:00 this morning, and I've talked with the little girl, and know she's going to be hurt by the decision.)