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Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« on: January 02, 2012, 01:03:55 PM »
Another new pistol, the SR22. Odd that it looks a lot like my Walther P22.....
I think that I will keep the Walther.
I like the fact that Ruger is introducing new products.
I do not like the fact that they seem to only be copying other makers (other than the LCR).

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html

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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 01:17:48 PM »
Is the slide made out of that zinc cr@p like the P22? ;/
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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 01:51:26 PM »
I look at that and I think "why?????".
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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 01:53:12 PM »
Is the slide made out of that zinc cr@p like the P22? ;/

According to the web site the slide is black-anodized aluminum.

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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 02:05:29 PM »
Another new pistol, the SR22. Odd that it looks a lot like my Walther P22.....
I think that I will keep the Walther.
I like the fact that Ruger is introducing new products.
I do not like the fact that they seem to only be copying other makers (other than the LCR).

Actually, it looks a lot like the SR9.....and Ruger has introduced a lot of great .22lr's lately....ones that stand on their own merits and can be used as "understudy guns" for their larger-caliber siblings....can't wait to see if a LCP .22lr is in the works....

Is the slide made out of that zinc cr@p like the P22? ;/

Ruger only deals in steel, aluminum, titanium (golf clubs only), and polymer....no junk metal allowed....
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2012, 02:11:08 PM »
Seems like they also did quite well "copying" the Colt SAA  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2012, 02:14:16 PM »
And the CRF bolt rifle.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2012, 02:35:28 PM »
According to the Ruger website, the slide is aircraft-grade aluminum.

Oops, duplicate post to what Brad said earlier.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2012, 05:08:14 PM »
Actually, it looks a lot like the SR9.....and Ruger has introduced a lot of great .22lr's lately....ones that stand on their own merits and can be used as "understudy guns" for their larger-caliber siblings....can't wait to see if a LCP .22lr is in the works....



Except it has a hammer where the SR9 is striker-fired.  I also see the Walther/S&W resemblance.  I don't see much "SR" in that gun at all.  Other than the obnoxious big lettering.

And ruger already has several FANTASTIC .22's that I would choose in a heartbeat over this thing.

Interesting, though, that the slide is stamped Prescott, AZ.  I guess Ruger is getting out of Connecticut, finally.  Shifting new manufacturing to a union-free State.  Good on them.  Though I'll not be buying this.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2012, 05:16:13 PM »
Except it has a hammer where the SR9 is striker-fired.  I also see the Walther/S&W resemblance.  I don't see much "SR" in that gun at all.  Other than the obnoxious big lettering.

And ruger already has several FANTASTIC .22's that I would choose in a heartbeat over this thing.

Interesting, though, that the slide is stamped Prescott, AZ.
I guess Ruger is getting out of Connecticut, finally.  Shifting new manufacturing to a union-free State.  Good on them.  Though I'll not be buying this.

Ruger has been manufacturing in Prescott, AZ since 1985.  They are still based out of CT and have manufacturing in NH as well.
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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 05:55:20 PM »
According to the Ruger website, the slide is aircraft-grade aluminum.

Oops, duplicate post to what Brad said earlier.

Well, an aluminum slide is appropriate on a .22. I have several that have held up just fine. That said, everytime some company says "aircraft grade aluminum I wanna stick my finger in my eye just to stop the hurt. I can name about 30 different types of aluminium   =D that I've used on an aircraft. Many entirely unsuitable to make a slide out of. How about tell us the alloy and temper and STFU about "aircraft grade?" Would that be too hard marketing people?

As far as the pistol? meh.

I hold grudges a long time, I was almost over the old man's AWB support when they decided to copy Kel-Tec. I have no respect for copycat companies, having worked for people with original patented stuff that was still ripped off.

Then there's my perfect world issues. In my fantasy land Colt makes 1911s and snake guns, Smith makes revolvers only, and Ruger makes revolvers, .22 target pistols and the occasional (bolt!!!) rifle and shotgun. Ruger and Smith auto pistols are a stain on the fabric of mankind. The mini-14 was cool right up until the A-Team got cancelled.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 06:07:08 PM »
Meh.
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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2012, 06:23:28 PM »
Except it has a hammer where the SR9 is striker-fired.  I also see the Walther/S&W resemblance.  I don't see much "SR" in that gun at all.  Other than the obnoxious big lettering.

And ruger already has several FANTASTIC .22's that I would choose in a heartbeat over this thing.


Really.  Two single action .22 revolvers, now two  very recently introduced double action .22 revolvers, and a multitude of variations on the Mark III.  Am I missing any?

Is this model there to show the world that Ruger can do what the other guy did, better?
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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2012, 06:39:18 PM »
everytime some company says "aircraft grade aluminum I wanna stick my finger in my eye just to stop the hurt. I can name about 30 different types of aluminium   =D that I've used on an aircraft. Many entirely unsuitable to make a slide out of. How about tell us the alloy and temper and STFU about "aircraft grade?" Would that be too hard marketing people?
How about "surgical steel"? Every time I see that, I think bedpans...
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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 07:17:32 PM »
I hold grudges a long time, I was almost over the old man's AWB support when they decided to copy Kel-Tec. I have no respect for copycat companies, having worked for people with original patented stuff that was still ripped off.

Please explain. If they are infringing on a patent, that's one thing, and it's actionable. But legally copying a successful design is just a) natural and expected competition in a capitalist system, b) serving the market, because capitalism is about selling the people what they want to buy and c) sometimes necessary for survival in a capitalist system, especially in a slow economy.

And where was this complaint when they started making 1911s?
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2012, 08:16:44 PM »
I did not even dignify the 1911 thing with picking one up to look at it. There's pretty much a proven open source design. With the P3AT a big company, Ruger, patiently waited while a little tiny company planned, tested, innovated, failed, and then brilliantly succeeded. Ruger could afford to be so patient because they had no idea it could be done or there was a market. Nothing to patent that I see, plastic gun with tilt-barrel locking. The idea of getting the little guy to do all your legwork for you is abhorrent to me, just a pet peeve. On 1911s, I'm done. I've got a Sistema halfway finished in a tupperware, a S70 Colt, a Rem-Rand that needs to be re-built, and a modern Dan Wesson that is nice but doesn't trip my trigger due to its stainless flavor. I'm absolutely done buying new production guns that look like 1911s. I will either have the money to pay Les Baer, Ed Brown, and no others or I will build one myself with Caspian stuff. All the modern 1911s are mass production crap dreamed up by managers that probably don't know where the bullet comes out and just want to move units and make pretty graphs. That's why I didn't mention the 1911 thing, one off-topic can o worms per thread.
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 08:53:42 PM »
The fact that it's equipped with an ambidextrous safety makes it different from all other .22 autos and reason enough for me to take a serious look at it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2012, 09:29:47 PM »


Then there's my perfect world issues. In my fantasy land Colt makes 1911s and snake guns, Smith makes revolvers only, and Ruger makes revolvers, .22 target pistols and the occasional (bolt!!!) rifle and shotgun. Ruger and Smith auto pistols are a stain on the fabric of mankind.

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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2012, 09:49:53 PM »
Please explain. If they are infringing on a patent, that's one thing, and it's actionable. But legally copying a successful design is just a) natural and expected competition in a capitalist system, b) serving the market, because capitalism is about selling the people what they want to buy and c) sometimes necessary for survival in a capitalist system, especially in a slow economy.

And where was this complaint when they started making 1911s?
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2012, 10:22:42 PM »
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I did not even dignify the 1911 thing with picking one up to look at it. There's pretty much a proven open source design.

Grant Cunningham has some post-1911 centennary comments on the 1911, here: Hello 2012 - boy, am I glad to see you!.

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Re: Sturm Ruger are Bastids!
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2012, 10:50:32 PM »
The fact that it's equipped with an ambidextrous safety makes it different from all other .22 autos and reason enough for me to take a serious look at it.


I believe the GSG 1911 (a 1911-ish .22) has an ambidextrous safety as standard on each model. I assume the Sig-branded GSGs are the same.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2012, 10:51:39 PM »
With the P3AT a big company, Ruger, patiently waited while a little tiny company planned, tested, innovated, failed, and then brilliantly succeeded. Ruger could afford to be so patient because they had no idea it could be done or there was a market. Nothing to patent that I see, plastic gun with tilt-barrel locking. The idea of getting the little guy to do all your legwork for you is abhorrent to me, just a pet peeve.

You know gun companies are supposed to make money, right?
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2012, 11:46:54 PM »
You know gun companies are supposed to make money, right?
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2012, 11:58:28 PM »
OK, what is your definition of pot stirring?  ???
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2012, 08:49:42 AM »
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