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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2012, 07:34:21 PM »
Can we get off the morelistic and so called "political" arguement and take a second to be practical?

How the hell are you supposed to get anything done (especially when dealing with teenage boys) when you have young females parading around half (or all the way) nekkid?

It is excellent training for the workplace. Because I sure expect my male and female employees to be working, regardless of the attire of their colleagues. I also don't want any sexual harassment claims, either.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2012, 07:47:47 PM »
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How the hell are you supposed to get anything done (especially when dealing with teenage boys) when you have young females parading around half (or all the way) nekkid?

How the hell am I supposed to get anything done when fistful posts provocative photos? ;)

Five pages on a yearbook photo. I'm amazed.

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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #102 on: January 10, 2012, 08:26:43 PM »
Can we get off the morelistic and so called "political" arguement and take a second to be practical?

How the hell are you supposed to get anything done (especially when dealing with teenage boys) when you have young females parading around half (or all the way) nekkid?

I managed to graduate quite well. With Excellence, even.

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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #103 on: January 10, 2012, 10:42:25 PM »
The Supreme Court has treated pornography under the First, but left it to municipalities to determine what constitutes pornography.

Yes, but did I mention the Supreme Court? You would, of course, be referring to the same Supreme Court that has ruled that "The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that the right of the people to keep and bear arms may be infringed as long as not unreasonably so (while declining to address what might or might not be reasonable).

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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #104 on: January 10, 2012, 10:46:34 PM »
Micro, you aren't making any non-moot points.  Public schools are still very accountable at a local level. If the community this girl lived in was outraged about her right to take a photo looking like a street-walking whore and use it as her portrait, then the school's administration would instruct the yearbook staff to allow it, and it would be done.  This has not happened and the people are getting exactly what they want in this case.

People are being allowed to purchase ad space and put whatever photo that they want in the book, she should shut up and do that.

Do you have a concept of what a yearbook is?  I'm not sure how they do things where you are from, so honestly I am asking.  Generally it has a section of portraits with names: one for each person.  There are other sections with candids, team photos, faculty, events, etc. but the portrait list is what we are concerned with here.

In my high school the portraits were all done by the school.  On portrait day everyone got in line and in turn we sat on a chair, were told to turn our head this way and tilt our chin that way and then *flash* and on to the next person.  Everyone got a similar photo and there we all were and no one cried about their freedoms being trampled on because their portrait in the portrait pages was like everyone else's: smiling headshot on a neutral backdrop.

Every school does this and has for decades. The school in question does it, I guarantee.  The only difference is that they allowed students to submit replacement portraits. This girl took that concept to the extreme, and beyond the entire point of the section (putting faces to names) with her "I just don't want my photo to be of me smiling in front of a wall. You will replace my portrait with this mediocre photography of me dressed as a slut, because my ass is a part of my identity!"

Even this thread's title is incorrect, inflammatory and misleading.  Her photo wasn't banned from the yearbook.  It was simply not accepted as a replacement for her portrait on the portrait page.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #105 on: January 10, 2012, 10:55:25 PM »
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If the community this girl lived in was outraged about her right to take a photo looking like a street-walking whore and use it as her portrait, then the school's administration would instruct the yearbook staff to allow it, and it would be done.  This has not happened and the people are getting exactly what they want in this case.]

Well that settles it then.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #106 on: January 10, 2012, 11:11:49 PM »
I managed to graduate quite well. With Excellence, even.

I think that pretty well says it all.....
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #107 on: January 10, 2012, 11:29:41 PM »
CNY,

Not so much anymore for seniors only.

My HS required an outdoor informal photo, in most cases done by a professional. The school had a photo shoot day for seniors. I didn't go, but went to the studio for a private shoot.

I can say that everyone had to be fully clothed and whatnot. The bases is to allow for self expression and induviduality. I see this girl as taking advantage of what HAS been a nice traditional shift in yearbooks.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #108 on: January 10, 2012, 11:31:14 PM »

Can we get a factual report of what is happening?

Preferably in the form of some kind of legal documents?

On what grounds is the family suing? It is not possible to just sue someone out of the hat, you need to have some kind of grounds, at least far-fetched and frivolous ones.

Is the publication of the yearbook actually privately-administered?
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #109 on: January 10, 2012, 11:33:45 PM »
:groan:

This thread makes me want to get out my yearbooks and bop people with them.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2012, 12:42:06 AM »
Help me here.

Are you insisting not only that we must have rules, but also that we must have an elaborate and very harsh system of rules, or these things will occur? I ask this seriously, not out of argument, I seriously do not understand. Or are you just being sarcastic here?

I think we're not communicating well. I said "intrusive, onerous," not "elaborate and very harsh." I said "intrusive, onerous" because if we compared the rules most schools impose on minor students, to the rules that adults live by in workplaces and other public places where we go, they would seem very onerous and intrusive to us. A lot of those rules would be inappropriate and obnoxious when applied to adults in most scenarios, but they are reasonable and expected when applied to minors in a school environment. I think you will understand if I point out that the "nanny state" makes sense when the govt. is taking care of children.


>Otherwise, you have minors skipping class, drinking, smoking, getting high, getting pregnant, etc<

As opposed to how well school administrations keep all those things to a minimum.

Oh, wait...

To the same extent that our laws against murder and robbery and fraud and arson keep those things to a minimum. They don't stop everything that could go wrong, but you go ahead and take responsibility for someone else's child without establishing any rules or boundaries for the kid. You have to know that would be a bad idea.



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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2012, 12:50:57 AM »
How the hell am I supposed to get anything done when fistful posts provocative photos? ;)

Did I? Where? I wanna see! (I think you might have me confused with someone else.)


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It is excellent training for the workplace. Because I sure expect my male and female employees to be working, regardless of the attire of their colleagues. I also don't want any sexual harassment claims, either.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that Ms. Spies attire would be acceptable in the workplace?
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2012, 01:06:59 AM »
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that Ms. Spies attire would be acceptable in the workplace?

It no doubt would, if her workplace was the street.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2012, 01:11:35 AM »
I think we're not communicating well. I said "intrusive, onerous," not "elaborate and very harsh." I said "intrusive, onerous" because if we compared the rules most schools impose on minor students, to the rules that adults live by in workplaces and other public places where we go, they would seem very onerous and intrusive to us. A lot of those rules would be inappropriate and obnoxious when applied to adults in most scenarios, but they are reasonable and expected when applied to minors in a school environment. I think you will understand if I point out that the "nanny state" makes sense when the govt. is taking care of children.

Oh I understand your worldview now. Let us just say I find it... rather unworkable.
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« Reply #114 on: January 11, 2012, 08:17:59 AM »
How so?
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #115 on: January 11, 2012, 09:06:59 AM »
The reason our country is doomed is because idiots argue about things like this while the rest of the country slides into oblivion.

Just sayin.



For what its worth, no public funding went towards my yearbook in HS. They were printed by a private contractor, using money solely from purchases. The editorial staff was all students, and they pretty much chose the content.

Im pretty sure it's that way most places
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #116 on: January 11, 2012, 09:15:15 AM »
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How the hell are you supposed to get anything done (especially when dealing with teenage boys) when you have young females parading around half (or all the way) nekkid?

It was a bit distracting in a fun sort of way, when the long haired girl sitting in front of me in Spanish class back in 1971 was wearing a halter top.  =D
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2012, 09:17:33 AM »
The reason our country is doomed is because idiots argue about things like this while the rest of the country slides into oblivion.

Just sayin.



For what its worth, no public funding went towards my yearbook in HS. They were printed by a private contractor, using money solely from purchases. The editorial staff was all students, and they pretty much chose the content.

Im pretty sure it's that way most places


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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #118 on: January 11, 2012, 10:49:09 AM »
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that Ms. Spies attire would be acceptable in the workplace?

Not in my workplace, and I suspect not in most healthcare or corporate settings.  The point is I disagree with BSL's contention that women should not wear such attire because it distracts men.  I don't think that is a good excuse in the school or workplace environments.  Suck it up and keep working, is my motto.
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« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2012, 11:12:19 AM »
How so?

What is unclear? Even if we believed - which I do not - that the age of maturity should be set at 18, we should not be regulating the behavior of people who will be legal adults tomorrow in the same way in which we do the behavior of 8-year-olds and 10-year-olds. Gradually as this age approaches the rules should become simpler.

This is of course how my own school worked (students in their final year were exempt from uniform requirements, for instance, and starting with the year before that we were free to leave the school grounds between classes, something which would be deranged if it were allowed in the early primary grades).

Certainly I have no belief that I want the future of our society to be determined by people who spent their formative years as young adults being prodded and monitored at every step - remember that a few years after school ends they will commence voting.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2012, 11:18:10 AM »
What is unclear? Even if we believed - which I do not - that the age of maturity should be set at 18, we should not be regulating the behavior of people who will be legal adults tomorrow in the same way in which we do the behavior of 8-year-olds and 10-year-olds. Gradually as this age approaches the rules should become simpler.

This is of course how my own school worked (students in their final year were exempt from uniform requirements, for instance, and starting with the year before that we were free to leave the school grounds between classes, something which would be deranged if it were allowed in the early primary grades).

Certainly I have no belief that I want the future of our society to be determined by people who spent their formative years as young adults being prodded and monitored at every step - remember that a few years after school ends they will commence voting.

Because this girl's photograph was not approved as a replacement photo for the portrait section of the yearbook, you have determined that in Americuh, we emotionally stunt everyone and saddle them with no responsibilites whatsoever, treating them as a total child until they become 18 at which point we treat them as adults overnight?
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2012, 11:58:17 AM »
Micro, I don't know where you got the idea that I favored some uniform set of rules for all minors. That wasn't my point at all. I'm just saying that parents in our culture don't treat teenagers (under 18, anyway) as full-fledged adults, and they don't want schools to do so, either. That doesn't mean they have to be treated like 8-year-olds.
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« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2012, 12:19:36 PM »
Not in my workplace, and I suspect not in most healthcare or corporate settings.  The point is I disagree with BSL's contention that women should not wear such attire because it distracts men.  I don't think that is a good excuse in the school or workplace environments.  Suck it up and keep working, is my motto.

It distracts women too.

I'm saying that it's unnessasry and unprofessional to wear such outfits outside a very few circumstanses.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2012, 01:53:03 PM »
schools have dress codes
(that usually exempt the cheerleaders)

The yearbook should follow the school policy for appropriate attire

The gal had several appropriate shots in the group that the EDITORs could pick from.

Yearbooks are not typical places for commercial modeling work to be contracted from either.
She has gotten her national exposure from that shoot now, but i don't see her getting an Elle or Maybeline contract.
Maybe the local hooters is hiring.
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Re: Student's photo banned from yearbook
« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2012, 06:56:36 PM »
schools have dress codes
(that usually exempt the cheerleaders)

Wrestling team? Swim team?
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