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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2012, 04:38:28 AM »
Somehow I knew you'd like Ron Paul.   [tinfoil]

Say what you will about De Selby's views, but he's always consistently supported individual liberty.
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2012, 07:11:11 AM »
Say what you will about De Selby's views, but he's always consistently supported individual liberty.

This is the other thing that seems to be driving the establishment political structure nuts -- Paul is creating (or perhaps pointing out) common ground among people with otherwise disparate political views.
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2012, 07:49:36 AM »
I meant De Selby, but it applies to Ron Paul too. =D
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2012, 08:05:39 AM »
I take that as a compliment - the more I learn about his policies the more I like them.  Ron Paul wants to demolish state power and increase individual power.   That is a good thing. 

RP has been consistent in this view, too.  Unlike the flim flam artists on the stage with him.
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2012, 11:14:03 AM »
I take that as a compliment - the more I learn about his policies the more I like them.  Ron Paul wants to demolish state power and increase individual power.   That is a good thing. 

Too bad his foreign policy is straight out of a  TWILIGHT ZONE episode...............[tinfoil]
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2012, 01:02:05 PM »
Too bad his foreign policy is straight out of a  TWILIGHT ZONE episode...............[tinfoil]

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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2012, 01:56:46 PM »
First Lackey:  Boss!  We gots a war comin'
President:  Start up the Congress!

I said TWILIGHT ZONE, not RAWHIDE[popcorn]
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2012, 02:05:10 PM »
Fox (at least our version of it) seems to be virulently anti-Paul at the moment... does this mean he is winning?

The more Fox hates him, the more Democrats will vote for him.

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2012, 04:02:58 PM »
Too bad his foreign policy is straight out of a  TWILIGHT ZONE episode...............[tinfoil]

What, because he doesn't want to preemptively wipe every little despot off the map?  ;/
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 06:04:24 PM »
What, because he doesn't want to preemptively wipe every little despot off the map?  ;/

Obomba announced today the he is going to wipe out* the majority of States that refuse to submit to the mandatory health insurance edict.  :mad:

The Dictatorship is getting pretty firmly established  :police:


* well, take over those states and make them comply
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2012, 07:31:25 PM »
What, because he doesn't want to preemptively wipe every little despot off the map?  ;/

NO ONE wants to do THAT.   Bizarro strawman argument.   [tinfoil]


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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2012, 07:46:33 PM »
NO ONE wants to do THAT.   Bizarro strawman argument.   [tinfoil]




Seems to be the accepted right wing response to Iran. :facepalm:
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2012, 08:01:56 PM »
 ???  How many candidates are seriously wanting us to go after every last tinpot dictator?

Seriously, you propose one extreme in response to an imagined extreme on the other side. 


Ron Paul seems to want to trust Iran with a nuke.  No one has any reason to believe Iran is trustworthy with a nuke.  We know Israel is because they have them and haven't used them.
Are we really rady to believe Ahmadinejab is nothing but bluff and bluster? 
He may be but I'm not putting any $$ on it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2012, 08:09:06 PM »
???  How many candidates are seriously wanting us to go after every last tinpot dictator?

Seriously, you propose one extreme in response to an imagined extreme on the other side. 


Ron Paul seems to want to trust Iran with a nuke.  No one has any reason to believe Iran is trustworthy with a nuke.  We know Israel is because they have them and haven't used them.
Are we really rady to believe Ahmadinejab is nothing but bluff and bluster? 
He may be but I'm not putting any $$ on it.

Yes it was an over the top shot back to make a point.  There is always some bad guy for them to get us riled about.  The tail is wagging the dog. 
Not quite right.  Ron Paul has said we do not have the constitutional authority to stop Iran from acquiring a nuke.  That's not the same as trusting them. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvaTqLlZlA&sns=em

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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2012, 08:39:36 PM »
Iirc, the Constitution says "... reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."  Individual power is pure democracy at best and chaos at worst.  That is why the Founders put together a Federalist system and a representative republic.

Ron Paul's value is the message that he has kept to all these years.  Because of Ron Paul, the TEA party became alive again.  Because of that some truly libertarian/conservative representatives are beginning to get elected and are sticking to their guns.  My guy Justin Amash is one of them.  Ron Paul knows he can't be elected but he will go to sleep one day and know the tremendous positive impact he has had.

Our national state of affairs presently has evolved over the last 70 plus years.  We cannot expect that damage to be healed in a short time.  Obama and his minions need to be ejected next year, in toto.  The key is that he must be beaten and a few more libertarian/conservative elected in the legislative branch and trustworthy respecters of the Constitution and B of R be appointed to the SCOTUS.  Incremental changes are the best if real patriots are elected.  I don't care if they are liberals or conservatives, only that they leave their personal opinions someplace else other than the courtroom.
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2012, 09:17:11 PM »
A local conservative talk guy said the other day that he agrees with probably 90 to 95% of what Ron Paul does, but that 5% or so is a doozy.  I tend to fit that also.  The biggest thing for me right now is I think I would rather deal with that 5% of Ron Paul for 4 years than Obama. 
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2012, 09:53:24 PM »
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Our national state of affairs presently has evolved over the last 70 plus years.

70 plus 80 years  =(
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2012, 10:35:46 PM »
We cannot expect that damage to be healed in a short time. 

Why not?

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Obama and his minions need to be ejected next year, in toto.  The key is that he must be beaten and a few more libertarian/conservative elected in the legislative branch and trustworthy respecters of the Constitution and B of R be appointed to the SCOTUS.  Incremental changes are the best if real patriots are elected. 

And a President Romney will weaken these patriots in the long-term.

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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2012, 12:35:42 AM »
Yes it was an over the top shot back to make a point.  There is always some bad guy for them to get us riled about.  The tail is wagging the dog.  
Not quite right.  Ron Paul has said we do not have the constitutional authority to stop Iran from acquiring a nuke.  That's not the same as trusting them.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvaTqLlZlA&sns=em

No "tails are wagging" any dogs.
Should we have gotten riled up about Tojo and Hitler before Dec. 7, 1941?
Probably, but we managed to do a pretty good job of avoiding war until ther war found us.
We did a good job of treating Islamic terrorists as a law enforcement problem until Sept. 11, 2001.
And there are plenty of nutcakes in charge of some odd govt. who do kooky things and say or do nasty things about America, like, for example, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
Before we look for "Constitutional authority" to stop Iran from getting any kind of a weapon, from a squirtgun to a nuke, we have to have the cajones to actually go through with some plan to stop Iran's nuclear program ---and I don't think we do.


The world is full of bad guys and always has been.  There's no need to create phony bogeymen when there are real ones out there.
The big question is which ones are truly dangerous to us or to countries of strategic importance to us, or to allied countries.  Right now Ahmadinejab qualifies if only because of his antisemitic rantings and nuclear ambitions, as well as his belief in a final apocolypse.
We don't have to look for bogeymen for the politicians to use to get us "riled up,"  the world is full of them, and they're only "bogeymen" while they're pestering some other people.  When they send 19 terrorists to kill 2973 human beings inside our borders they become a national security threat.  Bin Laden was a great "bogeyman" before that; right out of central casting.

I am not trying to say we need to TKO Ahmadinejab or do anything so far as Iran is concerned.  I've already said I don't think we have the stones to do it.  But I am saying that if there is going to be another blow-up in this world .... another Pearl Harbor, another  North Korea invading South Korea, another invasion of Poland....I think it's a good bet Iran will be at the center of it.

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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2012, 07:55:06 AM »
Nearly a trillion a year in defense spending.
15 trillion in debt.
42 million people on welfare.
Actual unemployment in double digits
20 million illegal immigrants
A welfare state run amok.
Patriot act.
Gitmo.
War on drugs.
I reallly don't care if Iran nukes Isreal.
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2012, 08:50:30 AM »
I reallly don't care if Iran nukes Isreal.

Yes. It's a good thing the United States has no interests whatsoever in a peaceful Middle East.

On a TOTALLY unrelated note, I've heard predictions gas will be $5 per gallon this summer. That'll sure boost the economy, huh!?
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« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2012, 09:05:47 AM »
Yes. It's a good thing the United States has no interests whatsoever in a peaceful Middle East.

On a TOTALLY unrelated note, I've heard predictions gas will be $5 per gallon this summer. That'll sure boost the economy, huh!?

News flash: Its already not a peaceful middle east.

Re: $5 gas
Obama killing the Keystone pipeline will probably ensure that happens.  
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2012, 09:11:20 AM »
News flash: Its already not a peaceful middle east.

Re: $5 gas
Obama killing the Keystone pipeline will probably ensure that happens.  

News flash: it could be worse still.

And, you are quite right about Keystone. Purposely slowing up drilling permits in the gulf is another factor. (I'm not saying the Middle East is currently causing all our energy woes. But, as a fungible commodity, any problems in the Middle East will be reflected in the price of oil, even if we were able to provide the entirety of our oil needs domestically.)
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« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2012, 09:18:32 AM »
Iran has also been a big issue with oil and gas speculators.  Threats to cut of the strait of Hormuz have contributed to a spike in speculative costs.
Which is the sort of blustering that plays well for their domestic audience in response to the wests big talk about them wanting a nuke. 
Its funny how everytime we start talking big on Iran, they start acting like a 2 year old.  Huh.
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Re: Saddle up, Texas!
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2012, 10:48:37 AM »
Nearly a trillion a year in defense spending.
15 trillion in debt.
42 million people on welfare.
Actual unemployment in double digits
20 million illegal immigrants
A welfare state run amok.
Patriot act.
Gitmo.
War on drugs.
I reallly don't care if Iran nukes Isreal.



Oooooookaaaaaaayyyy..... I guess you're out of the argument, then................ [popcorn] ???
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