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Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« on: February 22, 2012, 07:33:24 PM »
Ann Coulter has been backing Romney for a couple of months now, or perhaps longer. In today's column she made the strongest case for him so far, and I thought it was pretty impressive.

Unless she's twisting the facts, what am I missing?

The column is here.

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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 08:30:55 PM »
In regards to his platform*, Romney has the best one. I'll give him that. And that's if he even means half of it, or hell, he means all of it, but it gets corrupted by both reality and the "inside the beltway bubble", as these things always do, he's still probably the best candidate now.

The only two things I take issue with in her article is she engages in some serious handwavium by calling "Romneycare the sate level conservative alternative" that would have prevented Obamacare. That's utter bull*expletive deleted*, other than I guess it might be easier to kill off in red states once they saw it wasn't working.

I am mindful that St. Reagan used to be a democrat, and he did some seriously un-conservative things during his tenure as Governor of California, at least in terms of RKBA if nothing else, in response to panic over the Black Panthers etc. But therein lies my second complaint. Even if Romney's conservative bona-fides are TRUE, he completely lacks Reagan's ability to sell them.

Maybe he is "so outside the establishment" that the pat conservative buzz-words don't roll off his tongue, even if he really truly does mean them from a policy standpoint. If that's the case, he's even more deeply flawed in the cosmetic sense to make a gut-level emotional connection with the electorate than Perry's inarticulate performances at the debates.

I'm certainly liking Romney more than Santorum right now, or perhaps, more correctly, despising him less... Santorum, who seems bound and determined to scare away the "squishy middle" where national elections are won/lost by convincing them all that he'd love to ban all contraception and make everyone pump out 20 kids like the Duggars+, even if they're already in the productive class and married in a traditional nuclear family. And all the while, he's the one candidate with the record and positions on record to get the LGBT-WTF-BBQ crowd and sympathetic leftists so enraged it helps overcomes the "enthusiasm" gap that Obama currently suffers.

I do think Coulter's support for Romney is somewhat hollow, and borne more of a desire for the Republican party to focus and move forward on defeating Obama than anything else.

If Romney should get the nomination, and if he should win POTUS, and if he should more or less stick to his platform and a Republican house and senate stand ready to pass it, then the Republicans and America will be damned lucky. More lucky than we've any right to be. And of course, that's the proverbial "lot of IF's"...

(*Not counting Ron Paul, who's platform is deep-sixed by his inability to filter his 9/11 and AWOT messages into an acceptable form)

(+Yes, I know Santorum claims these are just his personal views and wouldn't pursue them as policy, but herp derp... that's not what everyone is HEARING when he says that.)
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 08:36:30 PM »

I am mindful that St. Reagan used to be a democrat, and he did some seriously un-conservative things during his tenure as Governor of California, at least in terms of RKBA if nothing else, in response to panic over the Black Panthers etc. But therein lies my second complaint. Even if Romney's conservative bona-fides are TRUE, he completely lacks Reagan's ability to sell them.

And Reagan's ability to work with both sides of the aisle to get his agendas accomplished.  Something that is all too forgotten these days. 
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 08:42:20 PM »
And Reagan's ability to work with both sides of the aisle to get his agendas accomplished.  Something that is all too forgotten these days. 

It was on the wane, but there was still some semblance of patriotism and "America before the party" left in the DNC in those days for Reagan to work with. It pretty much died in the 90's with the defending of Clinton, and when it became about winning at all costs through Faustian Socialism, mainly due to all the folks who were college age in the 1960's reaching their 40's and having worked their way up to Federal politics.  =|
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 08:50:53 PM »
It was on the wane, but there was still some semblance of patriotism and "America before the party" left in the DNC in those days for Reagan to work with. It pretty much died in the 90's with the defending of Clinton, and when it became about winning at all costs through Faustian Socialism, mainly due to all the folks who were college age in the 1960's reaching their 40's and having worked their way up to Federal politics.  =|

I would actually like to think that both parties should be like this.  The good of the country first should be the guiding principle.  Agreement on what is good for the country is the sticking point, though.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 09:49:50 PM »
Back in the 80's Texas was still dominated by the Democrat party at least locally.  At that time, there were still a lot of conservative minded politicians in the Dem party.  I don't think those guys are there anymore.  Texas went through a transition from the late 80's to late 90's from majority Democrat in state offices to majority Republican. 
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 11:12:14 PM »
No mention of Ron Paul in that article....if Romney is such a conservative, why not compare him to Paul?.....
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 12:39:52 AM »
If Paul is such a conservative, why doesn't he have my vote?
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 12:49:58 AM »
If Paul is such a conservative, why doesn't he have my vote?

Something about this is NOT convincing...........................
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 01:51:59 AM »
Anne Coulter's push for Romneycare? :P

Anyway, she's a great writer very convincing - she was all for Christie too.
She claims she just wants to end the Obama nightmare/Mitt is the only guy who can win.

It could be though that she thinks Mitt cant win and she knows she'll sell more books if B.O is there to rail against.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 02:00:45 AM »
Everything considered Romney is our best shot--and probably only real shot--at taking the White House.  There it is.  How conservative is Romney?  Let's hope we find out and that if he's not sufficiently conservative we find the will and means to push him rightward.

Sometimes I think Romney is too good for the American electorate as it exists in 2012.  That could be the bitterest irony of this Election.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 02:59:15 AM »
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she knows she'll sell more books if B.O is there to rail against

Bullseye.

I can't take her seriously, she would argue in favor of a Moon-is-made-of-cheese theory fact with out batting an eye if it would get her air time and book sales.

Coulter is just a stone-faced, loud-mouthed individual that figured out how to rub the red team audience just right.

And Romney is the best shot at getting a white Obama, who in turn ended up being black Bush. A vote for any candidate the MSM purports to have the best chances of winning is a person that will continue down the same path we are going down now. Maintain the status quo. Sure, we might change from the left lane to the right lane, but it's still the same road to hell. All the core policies that enable the tail spinning free fall of the country will remain unchanged regardless.

If you want to see change in direction you need massive unabashed voter insurrection to debase the two pillars of political power that have grown in parallel, not feel good merry-go-round nonsense.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 05:39:18 AM »
If Paul is such a conservative, why doesn't he have my vote?

If you're such a conservative, why doesn't Paul have your vote?....
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 11:16:41 AM »
I think Coulter supports Romney solely because she bought into the "electability" meme. If it came out tomorrow that he was actually a cultist who ritually sacrificed children to the Great Old Ones she'd try to spin that as proof he wouldn't scare away the folks with devout religious beliefs. She's become the epitomy of The Cause > than anything. Reminds me of the leftists who roast Santorum for insensitive comments, and ignore Daily Kos boy and Keith Olberman dismissing OWS rape victims. Hard to take her seriously since she's started whoring for her man.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 01:31:56 PM »
When I see Ann Coulter I always think of Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct.  A lot of amp but too much vamp.  That said, I think she's right about Romney.  He's the best we can get WITHIN THE PROCESS AS IT IS.

No one says we can't work outside the process.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 03:00:41 PM »
Bullseye.

I can't take her seriously, she would argue in favor of a Moon-is-made-of-cheese theory fact with out batting an eye if it would get her air time and book sales.

Coulter is just a stone-faced, loud-mouthed individual that figured out how to rub the red team audience just right.

Hit the nail on the head with this!  =D
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2012, 03:02:54 PM »
If you're such a conservative, why doesn't Paul have your vote?....
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 03:03:43 PM »
That's a win on several levels!

It's the APS "Oh SNAP!" of the year, for sure.  =D
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2012, 11:54:17 PM »
If you're such a conservative, why doesn't Paul have your vote?....


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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2012, 09:02:17 AM »

He's not good enough for me.

Why not? Bad hair? Old suit? Didn't push for single-payer health care?
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2012, 09:16:37 AM »
Everything Noonan and Coulter write is suspect to me these days.

Same goes for Rove and Krystol.
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2012, 11:36:03 AM »
Personally, I've been pretty suspicious of Dave Barry.

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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2012, 12:10:38 PM »
"Trust no one, not even me, litle marmoset."

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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2012, 12:14:22 PM »
Personally, I've been pretty suspicious of Dave Barry.

As well we all should be.  Someone who can write those 'year in review' columns would have great power if he turned to the Dark Side.  [tinfoil]
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Re: Ann Coulter's push for Romney; care to critique?
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2012, 12:17:02 AM »
Why not? Bad hair? Old suit? Didn't push for single-payer health care?

Ron Paul is the Republican Party writ small. Like the Republican Party, he has some great ideas. Like the Republican Party, he's pretty good in theory. Like the Republican Party, he disappoints when it comes down to it.

I wish I could believe in him. Here he is, this guy with all this integrity. All these great positions on so many things. But in the clinch, he fails. The GOP fails because the leadership either doesn't really embrace the platform, or just can't/won't fight for it. Paul believes in his platform, and fights for it, but doesn't realize that looking like the right man for the job is as important as being that man. Or maybe he knows how bad he looks, but he's doing the best he can. Regardless, he fails as a presidential candidate.

Not that I would do any better. And in fairness to Paul, he does seem to have popularized his ideas to a great extent. He just hasn't shown himself to be the guy to implement them.

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