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Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« on: April 13, 2012, 01:29:36 PM »
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 01:45:01 PM »

*shrug*

Politics demands a sacrifice.  Guilty or not, the politicians need to throw a victim to the mobs.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 01:52:02 PM »
*shrug*

Politics demands a sacrifice.  Guilty or not, the politicians need to throw a victim to the mobs.

This.

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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 01:58:47 PM »
He calls it unethical and irresponsible, and says it's too thin to get past a judge.

 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/harvard-professor-alan-dershowitz-says-zimmerman-arrest-affidavit-is-irresponsible-and-unethical-video/


Perhaps he needs DeSelby to staighten him out ...  :cool:
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 02:06:48 PM »
I don't know anything other than what I read in the papers and on the internet, but this smelled like politics the minute I read the story.

I hope his attorney doesn't cut a deal.

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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 02:17:17 PM »
I don't know anything other than what I read in the papers and on the internet, but this smelled like politics the minute I read the story.

I hope his attorney doesn't cut a deal.

His attorney is working pro-bono, I believe. That suggests to me he recognizes a railroading attempt and will not be likely to cut a deal.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 03:12:23 PM »
You don't think it could just mean he wants a book deal?
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 03:22:07 PM »
You don't think it could just mean he wants a book deal?

Winning an actual trial as opposed to pleading out would increase the value of that deal even if his interest is purely pecuniary.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 03:30:24 PM »
Winning an actual trial as opposed to pleading out would increase the value of that deal even if his interest is purely pecuniary.

A plea bargain wouldn't make for an entertaining read. It's a "I took the shortcut", makes for lackluster sales unless the shortcut ends horrifically.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 04:29:49 PM »
He has already been tried, convicted and darn near exicuted in the court of public opinion. At this point the trial is anti climaxtic. Regardless of that decision, the public has branded him the villian.

Innocent or guilty, the outcome is pretty much the same wiether he ends up wearing an orange jumpsuit or not.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 04:33:57 PM »
He has already been tried, convicted and darn near exicuted in the court of public opinion. At this point the trial is anti climaxtic. Regardless of that decision, the public has branded him the villian.

You think the general public is against Zimmerman?
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2012, 04:36:09 PM »
Change of venue....to say...North central Idaho?

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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2012, 04:37:52 PM »
You think the general public is against Zimmerman?

From what i've seen and heard. Admitadly, I live in a pretty liberal town.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 07:35:19 PM »
I think the reporting has been biased sufficiently (how many people know that NBC edited out the 911 dispatcher's question about race?) that more people than not think he's guilty of something more than self defense.

Again, I don't know anything but the actual facts I can find, but I'd love to see the race-baiters have this shoved up their rectal cavities by a not guilty verdict.

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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 07:46:54 PM »
Given my new policy of avoiding people, I've talked about this with one person, outside of APS. He was not ready to hang Zimmerman.

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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2012, 09:57:24 PM »
It wouldn't matter now if verifiable hi-res video of Martin throwing grenades, RPG rounds and swinging a machete was to come out. Zimmerman is going down.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2012, 10:19:46 PM »
Help me here.

Israeli media reported that Zimmerman stated he tried to 'detain' Martin.

Is that actually something that Zimmerman said, or is it a translation failure"?
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2012, 10:43:01 PM »
Help me here.

Israeli media reported that Zimmerman stated he tried to 'detain' Martin.

Is that actually something that Zimmerman said, or is it a translation failure"?

Translation failure, as far as I can tell. Unless something very new just came out, there is no evidence as to whether or not Zimmerman attempted to detain Martin.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2012, 11:08:42 PM »
I think the court of public opinion all depends on where you live and what the self defense laws are like or if they exist.  I imagine a lot of people just don't understand self defense in some places.   

That said, I guess I get a lot of my news from more conservative outlets, but most of the people out to hang Zimmerman fall flat on facts if anyone is of a mind to pay attention to that.  Or they trot out facts that have been discredited since about the 2nd day of this story.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2012, 01:18:44 AM »
Well, I'll be. Here are some more gun forum cranks (besides Al Dershowitz) that refuse to acknowledge the air-tight case against Zimmerman.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/04/12/150481261/prosecutions-choice-of-charge-complicates-case-against-zimmerman



Also, did anyone else observe a change in the way media drones referred to GZ, after the charges were filed? They started describing him as being the guy who "admitted" shooting Martin, which I don't think they were usually saying before. I heard one of them use the phrase "the confessed gunman."
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2012, 01:41:18 AM »
Help me here.

Israeli media reported that Zimmerman stated he tried to 'detain' Martin.

Is that actually something that Zimmerman said, or is it a translation failure"?

BBC claimed SYG gave gun owners the right to pursue people, and they didn't need a translator.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2012, 03:07:49 AM »
Ah, the baiting continues - but in this case for no reason, as I've already commeneted that murder two seemed a stretch. See previous locked threads where I quoted both statutes and said as much.

 Dershowitz appears not to realise that the charge already got through a judge on a probable cause standard.. The question now is whether the evidence supports the allegations, which he wrote three days ago is certainly possible for manslaughter, although he thinks we need to wait for the facts at trial.  

Dershowitz's comment is here:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/alan-dershowitz/the-rorschach-facts-in-th_b_1418441.html. I will quote his statements, which, unlike his prediction that the charges wont get past a judge (they already did), make some sense:
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Second, On the basis of the evidence currently in the public record, one likely outcome of the case against George Zimmerman is a mixed one: There may be sufficient evidence for a reasonable prosecutor to indict him for manslaughter, but there may also be doubt sufficient for a reasonable jury to acquit him.
Any such predictions should be accepted with an abundance of caution, however, because the evidence known to the special prosecutor, but not to the public, may paint a different picture. It may be stronger or weaker.

Funny how hard we can scream "not enough facts!" when facing an argument we disagree with, and simultaneously declare "innocent!".


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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2012, 08:38:14 AM »
. . .  Dershowitz appears not to realise that the charge already got through a judge on a probable cause standard. . . .

Was that judge by any chance Jessica Recksiedler? She just offered to recuse herself because her husband, Jason Ricksiedler, works for the law firm of Mark NeJame, a prominent Orlando attorney who's been sounding off on the Zimmerman case for CNN. (Don't know what NeJame has been saying, since I rarely watch CNN.)

http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/zimmerman-judge-offers-to-recuse-herself-over-cnn-ties/

A defense request for recusal is likely. Interestingly, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, became Zimmerman's attorney after being recommended by Mark NeJame, who was contacted by Zimmerman's family. 

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Judge-in-George-Zimmerman-case-may-recuse-herself/-/1637132/10705038/-/lg3put/-/index.html

As a matter of interest, I've looked at some other blogs and bulletin boards, and there's a term starting to show up for what's happening to Zimmerman: "Nilfonged" after the infamous prosecutor in the Duke Lacrosse player case.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2012, 09:11:30 AM »
A necessary component of being "Nifonged" is that of a complicit medical examiner who actively suppresses evidence of innocence of the charges.  I've seen  no reports of the local ME diddling evidence.  We may see something of Zimmerman's furtive head gash.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz says Zimmerman charge a no-go.
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2012, 09:45:52 AM »
Every comment I've heard from friends and acquaintances when the subject comes up is that there is not enough information available to make any decision one way or another.  I've even heard that conclusion made by folks I know who are usually tilted in the direction of not being necessarily tolerant of other races.

I find the media presentation, governmental personage remarks, the usual race baiters and celebrity comments to be despicable.  I do not find it odd that those comments come from the left.  People of the conservative persuasion usually seem to reserve judgment.

This incident is another in a long line of tells that show that the fabric of our constitutional republic is being torn apart by neo-liberal emotionalism.
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