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Can I call America a police state now
« on: May 02, 2012, 11:12:51 AM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/18/tsa-mission-creep-us-police-state

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 11:21:45 AM »
After my experience last week I am with you on this.

The USA is a nascent police state.

 
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 11:53:29 AM »
After my experience last week I am with you on this.

The USA is a nascent police state.

 
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 12:00:50 PM »
I guess I'm just a "Callous Bastard who doesn't care about little old ladies".
Personally, I do not understand how a bunch of people demanding a bigger govt can call themselves anarchist.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 12:43:02 PM »
I'll go one further and profer that we are no longer a Free country, and haven't been for many years.  Our freedom is a mere illusion.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 12:59:41 PM »
No TSA agent is going to search my car, or get me out of it.

They can call the real cops, and we'll do the whole terry stop thing, but TSA isn't seeing *expletive deleted*ck all of mine outside of an airport.  That's my line in the sand.

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 02:08:10 PM »
I'm 200% with you Dogmush.

This is completely unacceptable.

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No specific threats or reasons were cited for the raids, as the government no longer even pretends to need any.
Sad, but true.

And why aren't we demanding this end?


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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 02:39:18 PM »
I'll go one further and profer that we are no longer a Free country, and haven't been for many years.  Our freedom is a mere illusion.

Eh. We have some freedoms left, yes. Highly regulated and controlled, of course.

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 02:41:24 PM »
And why aren't we demanding this end?

What - and let the terrists win  ???
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 03:18:36 PM »
Some of the comments were good too:

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All in all, the future doesn't look good for the people of the USA.

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I thought widespread gun ownership was meant to prevent government tyranny?

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invasive searches at the airport of 'The Land of the Free' is more liable to convince visitors to the country that a better description would be 'The Land of the Irony-Free'?

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Why do Americans put up with this?

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Funny that since the collapse of totalitarian governments in Eastern Europe that the US has done everything in its power to become one.

It would seem that we're the only ones who choose not to be outraged by our government.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 03:28:16 PM »
Eh. We have some freedoms left, yes. Highly regulated and controlled, of course.



I'm pretty sure that the "highly controlled and regulated" pretty much invalidates the "freedom" part.
Some of the comments were good too:

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2nd amendment thing



It would seem that we're the only ones who choose not to be outraged by our government.
:facepalm:

Sad but true.


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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 04:00:28 PM »
The Democrats want to disarm us, while the Republicans think that they have us outgunned already  =(
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 04:01:52 PM »
No TSA agent is going to search my car, or get me out of it.

They can call the real cops, and we'll do the whole terry stop thing, but TSA isn't seeing *expletive deleted* all of mine outside of an airport.  That's my line in the sand.

Just make sure you do not point your finger at anyone while standing up for your rights.  "Survey sez" [/Richard Dawson voice] it could get expensive, along with being accused of being all sorts of a bombastic poseur.

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 04:06:30 PM »
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And why aren't we demanding this end?

Because the encroachments have been sooooo gradual.  Some would say calculated to be juuuuust that gradual. 

If you lead people to the stable or the rendering plant slooooowly, they don't notice the smell until they're in them. 

And because there are too many voters who vote with their bellies instead of their brains, and would give up those paltry "freedoms," which cannot be asssigned a dollar value, for the sake of a few glittery pebbles called "safety.".

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 04:19:56 PM »
Just make sure you do not point your finger at anyone while standing up for your rights.  "Survey sez" [/Richard Dawson voice] it could get expensive, along with being accused of being all sorts of a bombastic poseur.

stay safe.

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 04:44:13 PM »
And why aren't we demanding this end?

Because, how exactly does one do that?

Write my congressman; like that will do anything?
Go make a stink, get arrested, spend thousands on legal bills; and still not change anything?
Go toe to toe with them at the checkpoint, get killed; and then they use the incident as the reason for MORE "security"?

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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 04:45:46 PM »
Because, how exactly does one do that?

Write my congressman; like that will do anything?
Go make a stink, get arrested, spend thousands on legal bills; and still not change anything?
Go toe to toe with them at the checkpoint, get killed; and then they use the incident as the reason for MORE "security"?


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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2012, 04:59:33 PM »
Because, how exactly does one do that?

Write my congressman; like that will do anything?
Go make a stink, get arrested, spend thousands on legal bills; and still not change anything?
Go toe to toe with them at the checkpoint, get killed; and then they use the incident as the reason for MORE "security"?


Since they're public employees, who they are should be public record. Create a popular movement that advocates shunning them/shaming them and their families in all aspects of life possible.  Feel bad for spouses or kids? Too bad. In WWII the vast majority of Germans were just 'folks doing their job' and not hard-core foaming the mouth party members either. All the ones we shot were somebody's husband or son. And hell, we bombed the spouses and kids back in their hometowns too. So some ugly public interactions is getting off pretty light IMO.

Trick is getting it to that point. You'd have to work people up to be angry enough to do it, then stick with it.

Passive resistance. Crowd/clog the checkpoints so badly, it shuts down the travel completely, until the .gov folds.

There's more, but this is a public forum, and the APS TOS probably prevents discussing those ideas further anyway.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2012, 05:08:01 PM »
Eh. We have some freedoms left, yes. Highly regulated and controlled, of course.



The freedom challenge:

Find one aspect of your life that doesn't have any sort of .gov regulation or interferrence in it.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2012, 05:14:36 PM »
The freedom challenge:

Find one aspect of your life that doesn't have any sort of .gov regulation or interferrence in it.


Lots of things, in rural Montana.  =)

Though it would sorta depend whether you considered something like livestock brand inspections to be "interferrence" considering that it is in place to protect the legitimate owner.

But living in town sucks :(
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2012, 05:16:25 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/18/tsa-mission-creep-us-police-state

If you don't like, I guess that you always have the right to stay home  :mad:

Yuo can call it a police state, but you might have federales come calling.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2012, 07:58:12 PM »
The freedom challenge:

Find one aspect of your life that doesn't have any sort of .gov regulation or interferrence in it.


I thought I had several, but realized that ignoring .gov regulations don't make them go away.  =|
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2012, 10:01:49 PM »
No TSA agent is going to search my car, or get me out of it.

They can call the real cops, and we'll do the whole terry stop thing, but TSA isn't seeing *expletive deleted* all of mine outside of an airport.  That's my line in the sand.
You can count me in for the same response. Call a real cop and we will talk. Anything more than that and they can talk to my lawyer.
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2012, 10:18:55 PM »
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Re: Can I call America a police state now
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2012, 11:07:57 PM »
Liberty is an anachronism in modern America.

 
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