So is Rand Paul a sellout or a visionary

[Balog]

I think you're describing "meh," not "massively unlikeable." Not that I have a dog in the fight.

Well, lotta liberals will hate him because he's a rich white guy. A lotta conservatives will hate him for Romneycare, abortion flipflops etc. And the dude presents like a cyborg so not too many folks will find a personality driven likeability as I mentioned before.

[MicroBalrog]

You don't see a shift in GOP party power away from some of the entrenched interests? As badly as the establishment wanted Romney to get the nod it took forever for the field of losers competing with him to drop off precisely because folks so much want someone who isn't establishment.

For Rand Paul to be nominated in 2016 it would take a very rapid shift to occur in merely four years.

Mind, I expect improvements, I just don't expect them to be a) This rapid and b) in this specific shape.

It's also a bit outlandish to expect to be able to predict who the nominee is four years out.

[Balog]

For Rand Paul to be nominated in 2016 it would take a very rapid shift to occur in merely four years.

Mind, I expect improvements, I just don't expect them to be a) This rapid and b) in this specific shape.

It's also a bit outlandish to expect to be able to predict who the nominee is four years out.

This discussion started when you made a confident prediction about the nominee... 

I'm certainly not saying he will, just that it's certainly seems within the realms of reasonable possibility.

[MicroBalrog]

THere'll be a dozen or more candidates. Even if they were evenly balanced against each other the odds are against any given one - and Rand Paul will be playing on a very tilted playing field.


...that is, unless Romney somehow pulls off 2012. Then this will become a non-issue.

[Balog]

THere'll be a dozen or more candidates. Even if they were evenly balanced against each other the odds are against any given one - and Rand Paul will be playing on a very tilted playing field.


...that is, unless Romney somehow pulls off 2012. Then this will become a non-issue.

Economy the way it is, I find it tough to picture Obama winning.

[MicroBalrog]

Another reason to think Rand Paul won't run in 2016.

[Perd Hapley]

Rand Paul, '020!!   

[zxcvbob]

Economy the way it is, I find it tough to picture Obama winning.

Don't underestimate the illegal alien, prisoners and felons, and dead votes.  In some precincts he may get well over 100% of the vote.