Wife Assaults Husband for Reading The Onion

[Perd Hapley]

>That is your opinion. You should be more concerned about the pathology of the porn-consuming husband, than the anger of the wife.<

"Pathology"? Seriously? The Onion?

I was speaking of porn generally, not that specific case. I haven't seen a paper copy of The Onion in years, so I have no idea what's in it. I thought it was just news parodies.

[Perd Hapley]

Here we are in the same old cycle. I say something that should be totally unremarkable, and then some people are perfectly mortified that I'm not buying into the same post-modern notions they go for.


To encapsulate my viewpoint common sense, if my wife were to come home and find that I was looking up naked porn ladies on the internets, and if she were to give me a black eye, I would consider it well-deserved. I would not report it as an assault. No, I'm not saying it should be perfectly legal, but I would expect the police to be laughing at me while they took down my statement.

(For the record, my wife has never been violent toward me, or anyone else that I know of.)


Am I saying that it is OK for women to hit men just because they are angry? No.

Am I saying that men who are severely, or regularly beaten by their wives should shut up and take it? No, I'm not talking about that. The woman in the story apparently was not able to do that much damage. Those are the kinds of "assaults" I'm talking about.

Am I saying it would be acceptable for a man to hit his wife for the same reasons? No. Hitting women is only acceptable for circumstances like self-defense, obviously.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

For a man to attack a woman is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than for either sex to attack a man.

Why?

[lupinus]

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And this is considered bad? I was under the impression virtually everyone did so?

Still lustful. Does it mean we don't do it? Sure we do. But then we, in general, do a lot of things we shouldn't do or that plenty would consider wrong.

[Perd Hapley]

>If you are using porn, you are clearly not having a healthy relationship.<

Not your call. I can think of many reasons why one partner or the other may decide to utilize porn (speaking of actual porn, not the Onion), yet still have a healthy relationship. Such defined as "all partners happy"
 

Not my call? I think I am allowed to have an opinion on whether or not a relationship is healthy just about anything.

I would not go so far as to say that it dooms the entire relationship, but a little adultery can hardly be good for it. If you have a different view of porn and the morality thereof, you'll think differently, but such is my opinion. 

>Of course there is. Again, read carefully to avoid unwarranted inferences. (Hint: I said it was bad; not as bad.)<

This is a judgement based on the teachings of your faith. Kinda loses traction when applied to folks who don't follow the same faith

Huh? Somebody asked me a question about Christ's view of "looking at women to lust after them." Besides, Christ didn't say it was just wrong for His own followers. He said it was wrong, period.

[MicroBalrog]

To encapsulate my viewpoint common sense, if my wife were to come home and find that I was looking up naked porn ladies on the internets, and if she were to give me a black eye, I would consider it well-deserved. I would not report it as an assault. No, I'm not saying it should be perfectly legal, but I would expect the police to be laughing at me while they took down my statement.

In my view, if my significant other gives me a black eye for any reason short of a sudden-onset mental illness ("oh god! spiders everywhere!") or mistaken identification ("I thought you were a burglar, honey"), it's clear that our relationship has already ended, or in a serious danger of ending within the next five minutes.

[I might consider staying if the other person takes an anger management thing. ]

[Naturally, I do not do things that, in my belief system, would justify a loved one punching me.]

[Perd Hapley]

Why?

In most cases, it runs afoul of "pick on someone your own size." In other cases, well, they're still women.

[Perd Hapley]

In my view, if my significant other gives me a black eye for any reason short of a sudden-onset mental illness ("oh god! spiders everywhere!") or mistaken identification ("I thought you were a burglar, honey"), it's clear that our relationship has already ended, or in a serious danger of ending within the next five minutes.

Some women take looking at porn just as seriously.

[MicroBalrog]

It seems to me physically attacking another person, or acting in ways that would normally otherwise invite a violent response, and hiding behind the fact that "I am a woman/handicapped/whatever" is the height of human dishonesty.

Some women take looking at porn just as seriously.

Then they are crazy, abusive women.

[Perd Hapley]

It seems to me physically attacking another person, or acting in ways that would normally otherwise invite a violent response, and hiding behind the fact that "I am a woman/handicapped/whatever" is the height of human dishonesty.

What are you talking about?

Then they are crazy, abusive women.

Women offended by porn are abusive? How so?

[MicroBalrog]

No, women whose offense to porn goes to the extent they physically beat their husbands are abusive.

This shouldn't be confusing.

People who abuse their spouses are abusive.

[Perd Hapley]

Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.

Nice how you keep comparing this to women getting beaten, though. Class move.

[brimic]

Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.

Nice how you keep comparing this to women getting beaten, though. Class move.

I see no distinction. Abuse is abuse. There isn't 'less abusive' or 'more abusive' because of the genders involved. 

Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.

So if a husband just gets slapped around a little, its all well and good. If he gets a black eye, well people are clumsy and fall down stairs all the time, right?

[MicroBalrog]

I do not consider it to be different in a meaningful way.

And that specific woman is certainly no better than an abusive husband.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Well, if their husbands are actually hurt by it, I suppose.

Nice how you keep comparing this to women getting beaten, though. Class move.

You seem to be pedestalizing women. What is your philosophical basis for such? Why is it worse to punch out Jean than Gene?

[Strings]

Ok... not going to actually address anything more to the porn argument: we have different viewpoints, we'll leave it at that.

What you might not realize, fistful, is the view "man hitting woman>woman hitting ,man" is a very insidious thought in our society, and leads to abused men (yeah, they're out there) being FAR less likely to report abuse/leave the unhealthy situation.

Is kinda similar to rape victims being viewed as "having asked for it". That societal judgement is a HUGE problem.