« previous next »
Pages: [1]

Author Topic: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?  (Read 4073 times)

Matthew Carberry

  • Formerly carebear
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,281
  • Fiat justitia, pereat mundus
80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« on: July 11, 2012, 11:03:32 PM »
Nope, not gonna build one.

Have a buddy who lives in Brooklyn, New York, makes custom knives and scales and wants to make grip panels.

No way he's going to the trouble to get any kind of firearm license, but I was thinking an unfinished frame is not a firearm per ATF and even in NYC if there's no rails cut and he doesn't own a barrel or slide I can't find a statute that would apply.

So, basically a non-serialized frame with proper grip holes/bushings and maybe the mag release and plunger tub in place.  Whatever holes that impinge on the grips that would keep it a non-firearm would be handy for fitting.  Heck it doesn't need any top end above the plunger tube for that matter, no rail material at all.

I can't find any mentions online newer than 2009 or so, so I'm wondering if the ATF changed their mind about them?
Report to moderator   Logged
"Not all unwise laws are unconstitutional laws, even where constitutional rights are potentially involved." - Eugene Volokh

"As for affecting your movement, your Rascal should be able to achieve the the same speeds no matter what holster rig you are wearing."

Jim147

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7,607
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 11:50:56 PM »
Might check Sarco for paperweights.

jim
Report to moderator   Logged
Sometimes we carry more weight then we owe.
And sometimes goes on and on and on.

BAH-WEEP-GRAAAGHNAH WHEEP NI-NI BONG

RevDisk

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,633
    • RevDisk.net
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 10:46:16 AM »

Could make REALLY sure by machining off the anything ahead of the finger guard and maybe grinding down the sidewalls. 
Report to moderator   Logged
"Rev, your picture is in my King James Bible, where Paul talks about "inventors of evil."  Yes, I know you'll take that as a compliment."  - Fistful, possibly highest compliment I've ever received.

roo_ster

  • Kakistocracy--It's What's For Dinner.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 21,225
  • Hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 11:10:17 AM »
Quote from: RevDisk on July 12, 2012, 10:46:16 AM
Could make REALLY sure by machining off the anything ahead of the finger guard and maybe grinding down the sidewalls. 

And then shoving it up Nanny Bloomberg's fourth point of contact.
Report to moderator   Logged
Regards,

roo_ster

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”
----G.K. Chesterton

Nick1911

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,492
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 11:14:32 AM »
I haven't seen any for sale in some time.  I imagine they are out there - google for it.

Agree with revdisk; once he gets that frame, chopping the front part off in the bandsaw would be well advised.
Report to moderator   Logged

dogmush

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,985
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 11:34:12 AM »
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 11:43:36 AM by dogmush »
Report to moderator   Logged

S. Williamson

  • formerly Dionysusigma
  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,034
  • It's not the years, it's the mileage.
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 12:58:07 PM »
Some airsoft guns are *really* close in dimension (a friend's Tokyo Marui M1A would actually allow a real M14 magazine to click in place). Just a thought...
Report to moderator   Logged
Quote
"The chances of finding out what's really going on are so remote, the only thing to do is hang the sense of it and keep yourself occupied. I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
"And are you?"
"No, that's where it all falls apart I'm afraid. Pity, it sounds like quite a nice lifestyle otherwise."
-Douglas Adams

Matthew Carberry

  • Formerly carebear
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,281
  • Fiat justitia, pereat mundus
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 01:53:05 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on July 12, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
Blindhogg sells some grip making jigs.

http://www.blindhogg.com/forsale.html

80% Frames:
https://www.dlaskarms.com//product_info.php?products_id=356&osCsid=412bc8e420eb7664c7ba63b3d5cf678a
http://www.ktordnance.com/kto/products.php

I saw the jig, but in Hogg's process he goes back and forth to teh actual gun to confirm how it feels and fits.

KT's product is too "high end" to be cutting up further (which I totally agree with as a safety measure).
Report to moderator   Logged
"Not all unwise laws are unconstitutional laws, even where constitutional rights are potentially involved." - Eugene Volokh

"As for affecting your movement, your Rascal should be able to achieve the the same speeds no matter what holster rig you are wearing."

Tallpine

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 23,172
  • Grumpy Old Grandpa
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 05:22:56 PM »
Your buddy could just move to Manhattan (Montana)

 =)
Report to moderator   Logged
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one. The road goes upward toward the light; but the laden traveller may never reach the end of it.  - Ursula Le Guin

Jim147

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7,607
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 06:50:11 PM »
Somewhere around here I think I have an AR grip that is made to take 1911 grip panels. Would something like that work?

Maybe some of the "blue" guns have removable grips.

jim
Report to moderator   Logged
Sometimes we carry more weight then we owe.
And sometimes goes on and on and on.

BAH-WEEP-GRAAAGHNAH WHEEP NI-NI BONG

Ex-MA Hole

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,976
    • The Brown Bomber
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 09:14:06 PM »
Blue gun.

Some have removable grips.
Report to moderator   Logged
One day at a time.

Ex-MA Hole

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,976
    • The Brown Bomber
Re: 80% 1911 frame, still legal? Still available?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 09:17:00 PM »
Report to moderator   Logged
One day at a time.
Pages: [1]
« previous next »