Mancrush on David Koch

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Ran with an L. behind his name a couple times, back in the early days of that party.  That's my recollection.

at least once  and he made the ballot

[TommyGunn]

that plan seems to assume that no one else has nukes or if they do they won't use em.  thats a flaw
and it ignores our recent history in conflicts

China has nuclear bombs but is only now developing the missiles necessary to project them.  By the time this war develops .... who know if M.A.D. will work? 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

that same myopia exists.  why do you imagine china as the only player?

they don't need to wipe us out  just hit a good lick with nukes would leave a mark
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/world/asia/chinas-missile-advances-aimed-at-thwarting-us-defenses-analysts-say.html

[TommyGunn]

I have no idea what will happen in the future.  Who will align themselves with China?  Russia?  Maybe, but theyve not proven to be the best of friends. 
Naybe Tom Clancy can concoct a believable scenario with likely allies and antagonists all spelled out.
Can you?
 

[birdman]

China has nuclear bombs but is only now developing the missiles necessary to project them.  By the time this war develops .... who know if M.A.D. will work? 

China has had the means to deliver large multi-megaton warheads via ICBM to the US for over 40 years.  Ever since Tsien left the US and created the DF-5/CSS-4 in 1971.

[TommyGunn]

China has had the means to deliver large multi-megaton warheads via ICBM to the US for over 40 years.  Ever since Tsien left the US and created the DF-5/CSS-4 in 1971.

Really?   Last I heard was Clinton selling them some techie stuff back in the 90s and helping them work out some bugs in the multi-stage stuff....which was rather unreliable ..... waaaaaaaayyyy after 1971 .......

[MillCreek]

I am reasonably certain that I had read that Chinese ICBMs can reach the West Coast of the US at a minimum.  This piqued my interest, living in Seattle and all.

[birdman]

Really?   Last I heard was Clinton selling them some techie stuff back in the 90s and helping them work out some bugs in the multi-stage stuff....which was rather unreliable ..... waaaaaaaayyyy after 1971 .......

What you are referring to was the use of the Iridium smart dispenser satellite bus on the long march space launch vehicle (a derivative of the CSS-4) which gave them a leg up on a MIRV'able bus design, but they have had single warhead ICBM's since the early 70's, missiles capable of reaching anywhere in CONUS in the early 80's and have been also launching large satellites since the early 80's.

Seriously, believe me on this, they have had the ability to hit us for over 40 years (west coast) and all of conus for almost 30 years.

[TommyGunn]

What you are referring to was the use of the Iridium smart dispenser satellite bus on the long march space launch vehicle (a derivative of the CSS-4) which gave them a leg up on a MIRV'able bus design, but they have had single warhead ICBM's since the early 70's, missiles capable of reaching anywhere in CONUS in the early 80's and have been also launching large satellites since the early 80's.

Seriously, believe me on this, they have had the ability to hit us for over 40 years (west coast) and all of conus for almost 30 years.

OK, don't get your feathers in wad, I believe you.