Egypt and Libya embassy attacks

[kgbsquirrel]

Carthago delenda est.

Civis Americae sum.

[longeyes]

This war goes back 1400 years.  Deal with it.

[Jamie B]

This war goes back 1400 years.  Deal with it.

Yes, they can deal with it.
We can eat popcorn and watch.

[roo_ster]

"Our" side is claiming Libyan security forces fought against the attackers and carried Stevens' to medical aid.
International reports are saying Libyan security forces pointed out the targets and tht Stevens' body was carried through the streets in triumph.

Guess who I don't trust.

If nothing else we need to enact ROE that include shoot to obliterate/liquify anyone or any group that threatens our people in instances like that. Hell if they still do it like they did 20 years ago the marines probably weren't even issued actual live bullets to put in their evil bang makers.

I find Al Jazeera English more accurate and less overtly biased than CNN or MSNBC.

[longeyes]

How badly our culture needs "friends."  Sad.

Facebook on the statist plan.

[MicroBalrog]

It is purely retribution, and BHO does deserve the credit.
You can rationalize that OBL was no more important than a mugger, but I do not share that view.

That. OBL was a military commander of an enemy force. Getting him was quite as important as nabbing, say, a German admiral in 1943.

[Hutch]

MB, it was a Japanese admiral, Isoroku Yamamoto we sicced the P38's on, not a German.  Just sayin'.

[MicroBalrog]

MB, it was a Japanese admiral, Isoroku Yamamoto we sicced the P38's on, not a German.  Just sayin'.

I did not know such a thing really occured. I was pulling an analogy out of my hat.

[MicroBalrog]

More seriously speaking, it was a riot.

Countries don't really go to war when their embassies get sacked by rioters.

[longeyes]

The core of that culture is a riot contained by a thick concrete shell of Law.  Now and then there's a melt-down.

[SADShooter]

More seriously speaking, it was a riot.

Countries don't really go to war when their embassies get sacked by rioters.

Cairo was a riot. Benghazi was a coordinated attack, according to current reports.

ETA: There is also the suggestion that the Benghazi attack was retaliation for an anti-AQ drone strike, unrelated to (or masked by) the video riots.

[AJ Dual]

Not sure what could have been done for the American Ambassador, since it seems he put most of his faith in the new Libyan state, was not on actual Embassy grounds, merely a consulate which is essentially just an office. And the situation in Libya is still in flux, and it's looking possible that Libyans who'd been loyal to Qaddafi may have infiltrated the "security forces".

As far as the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, a common sense ROE for the Marines of "Shoot whoever comes over the wall" would have sufficed.

I'm thinking that the Muslim Brotherhood, while far from pro-West/U.S., is not to blame, but that in all the uprisings, the seat of the pantsedness (to coin an adjective) that's been going on of late, they've been infiltrated by AQ, or similar groups.

[RevDisk]

I did not know such a thing really occured. I was pulling an analogy out of my hat.

The assassination of Yamamoto was one of the critical successes in the operations against Japan. We used crypto intercepts to get his itinerary. Yamamoto was not a moron, unlike the Japanese Army.

Good analogy, actually.

[MicroBalrog]

Cairo was a riot. Benghazi was a coordinated attack, according to current reports.

ETA: There is also the suggestion that the Benghazi attack was retaliation for an anti-AQ drone strike, unrelated to (or masked by) the video riots.

Do you think the Libyan 'government', such as it is, is behind this attack?

[makattak]

Do you think the Libyan 'government', such as it is, is behind this attack?

Probably not. Which is why I've only called for wiping the city from the face of the earth, not the whole country.

There should be SERIOUS repercussions for the murder of a US Citizen. Moreso for an Ambassador. For parading either through your streets? No more streets.

[SADShooter]

Do you think the Libyan 'government', such as it is, is behind this attack?

Not sure. Elements of the security forces on scene may have aided it. No indication (yet) of executive-level participation.

[MicroBalrog]

Probably not. Which is why I've only called for wiping the city from the face of the earth, not the whole country.

There should be SERIOUS repercussions for the murder of a US Citizen. Moreso for an Ambassador. For parading either through your streets? No more streets.

[MechAg94]

I wonder how many

I wonder how many of those people can read those signs in English.

[birdman]

You know, that's something that always bothered me.  English signs in a region where English is at best a second language of a small fraction.  That's called "handed out to show the press" or, "don't bomb us"

[Tallpine]

I wonder how many of those people can read those signs in English.

I must admit that I could not read them in Libyan - or whatever what they speak is called.

[Unisaw]

I haven't heard anything about Marines being on the scene.  I know they guard our embassies, but do they normally guard our consulates?

[Fitz]

there are stories on the news sites about the Fleet Antiterrorism Something-or-other team getting sent in

[AZRedhawk44]

MB:  Is the above pic similar to the Ron Edry "Israel loves Iran" youtube campaign?

Are you familiar with that?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/israel-loves-iran-campaign-gains-force/


(Those of you unfamiliar with it, it is an anarcho-stateless attempt to bypass the State and cause two groups of people to communicate directly and bypass the puppet masters that seem intent on perpetual war.)


I bring this up because I hear that the "R3voLution" is gaining steam in the middle east.

[SADShooter]

Marines in Tripoli at the Embassy, and an additional detachment coming from Spain. State Dept. security contractors at the Consulate in Benghazi with Ambassador Stevens.

[BobR]

I wonder how many of those people can read those signs in English.

Hell, give 'em 20 bucks in local currency, a sign and tell them to have a demonstration. They don't need to know what the sign says, it is just a photo-op for the world's media, IMO.

bob