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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2012, 11:05:04 AM »
All the whining about taxes from R's and D's, shows how much we need to scrap the present system and have a flat tax of 10% across the board.  Every individual and every every business that is not a Sole Proprietor pays 10% of every dollar, no deductions, no matter where that dollar comes from, period.  Everybody has a dog in the fight and there is no room for whining.

Yes, and while we are at it let's eliminate all tax exempt institutions. 

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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2012, 12:03:55 PM »
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Every individual and every every business that is not a Sole Proprietor pays 10% of every dollar, no deductions, no matter where that dollar comes from, period.

What if the dollar is from your bank account ?  :P

And you want businesses to pay taxes on gross revenue with no consideration of dollars spent for inventory, payroll, equipment, etc  ???  :O
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2012, 12:18:58 PM »
I agree with Ben, but you have to pay your taxes on Election Day at your Polling Place.
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2012, 12:24:04 PM »
I agree with Ben, but you have to pay your taxes on Election Day at your Polling Place.

Oooh. :O Nice twist. :cool:
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2012, 01:10:23 PM »
All the whining about taxes from R's and D's, shows how much we need to scrap the present system and have a flat tax of 10% across the board.  Every individual and every every business that is not a Sole Proprietor pays 10% of every dollar, no deductions, no matter where that dollar comes from, period.  Everybody has a dog in the fight and there is no room for whining.

don't forget that the budget must not exceed the amount collected!
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2012, 03:02:35 PM »
I agree with Ben, but you have to pay your taxes on Election Day at your Polling Place.

All of them.  Income, Social Security, Medicare, State, Local, Property.   Will make for fun elections !!!
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2012, 03:08:25 PM »
I'm skeptical of polls in general (Didn't most polls have Mondale tied with Reagan until election night?) so I'm not going to get too excited when some pollster or analyst happens to put out something I happen like.

The bottom line is the only poll that counts is the one on election day, and in order to eke out a win, the Republican has to have enough of a margin to negate Democratic vote fraud. (Stuffed ballot boxes, hanging chads, etc., are the least of it.)
If you listen to Rush and others, most of the polls are over sampling Democrats by as much as 13% assuming Democrat voter enthusiasm is very high.  From what I have heard, that is definitely not the case. 

As already mentioned, only one poll counts.  The polling outfits can be wrong all year and only have to be right close to election time.
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2012, 03:22:14 PM »
I agree with Ben, but you have to pay your taxes on Election Day at your Polling Place.

Oooh, SCOTUS is not enthused about anything that looks like a poll tax, going back to Reconstruction and Jim Crow. 
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2012, 03:27:59 AM »
Oooh, SCOTUS is not enthused about anything that looks like a poll tax, going back to Reconstruction and Jim Crow. 

Oh, you can still vote, you just get hauled away by the IRS afterward if you don't pay up......  :police: :police: :police:
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2012, 08:12:22 AM »
The narrative the media has built about Romney and the OMG! Gotcha! nature of their coverage might almost convince me to vote for him.

I'll grant you that the Romney campaign is no juggernaut but they are operating in an environment that is even more hostile than anything Bush had to deal with.

The gloves are off and the media isn't even hiding their bias. Most average Americans are so disconnected they don't see the bias. The media is propagandizing the uninformed, playing to their base (the left) and doesn't care about the conservatives or libertarians, except where they can sow conflict between them.

By beotching about the Romney campaign you run the risk of sounding like a member of our subversive Fourth Estate. That was really my point.

 
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2012, 10:32:36 AM »
I agree with Ben, but you have to pay your taxes on Election Day at your Polling Place.

I think a Constitutional Amendment that election day will now always be the first Tuesday before the final day that individual Income Taxes are due, would be a nice touch.

(Although it might backfire and remind freeloaders of exactly WHERE they got their $12,000 tax credit refund check after doing their taxes on their $30,000 of income that year...)
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2012, 11:54:19 AM »
I understand the objective behind having to paying taxes to vote, but I don't think that creating yet ANOTHER way to twist arms for collection of federal taxes is the way to go about it. It could have quite a few unintended consequences.

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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2012, 09:12:42 PM »
Y'all are going too far.  I think you can accomplish the same thing by just ending employer withholding.  Everyone pays quarterly or annually.
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2012, 07:06:51 AM »
The narrative the media has built about Romney and the OMG! Gotcha! nature of their coverage might almost convince me to vote for him.

The gloves are off and the media isn't even hiding their bias. Most average Americans are so disconnected they don't see the bias. The media is propagandizing the uninformed, playing to their base (the left) and doesn't care about the conservatives or libertarians, except where they can sow conflict between them.

they're only biased when they not promoting my point of view!   =D
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2012, 09:34:24 AM »
they're only biased when they not promoting my point of view!   =D

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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2012, 03:55:05 PM »
The media is taking the 47% thing out of context.  Romney was at a fund raising event and those 47% would not likely contribute anything to his campaign.

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Every individual and every every business that is not a Sole Proprietor pays 10% of every dollar, no deductions, no matter where that dollar comes from, period.

Less business expenses of course!

I actually prefer the "fair tax" with the states doing all tax collections on money spent.  I don't want to depend on quarterly or annual tax paymens for the majority of Americans.
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« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2012, 04:12:52 PM »
Re media narrative. I watched CNN last night and they showed a poll to support their thesis that Mitt's bungled everything was giving the president a win despite his failings. The poll they used was likely voters in Nevada. Obama was 3% up. He won by 12% over McCain.
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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2012, 04:09:24 PM »
In the immortal words of the great Iowahawkblog, all polls are bulls***.

I loathe Romney and can't see myself voting for him, but he's not actually doing a bad job considering how unabashedly the media is propagandizing for Obama.
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2012, 04:29:59 PM »

Don't vote for Romney.

Vote instead to neutralize the other guy who's voting for the Prevaricator In Chief.

Yes, that means checking the box by Romney's name, but just remind yourself that you're voting against the dude hitting America over the head with a brick.

As some of the other guys have already said, buy us some time.  If Mr. O-Logo gets another term, that line from Independence Day -- "Time's up!" -- will take on real meaning.
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2012, 08:45:17 PM »
Don't vote for Romney.

Vote instead to neutralize the other guy who's voting for the Prevaricator In Chief.

Yes, that means checking the box by Romney's name, but just remind yourself that you're voting against the dude hitting America over the head with a brick.

As some of the other guys have already said, buy us some time.  If Mr. O-Logo gets another term, that line from Independence Day -- "Time's up!" -- will take on real meaning.


Obama with a strongly R House and Senate would probably do less damage than Bush 2.0 and party voting. Or Mitt could be bullied by conservative Congressfolk into doing a decent job. Too close to call at this point.
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Re: Mitt Seems Confuddled
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2012, 11:56:51 PM »
We haven't exactly seen House Republicans use the power they have to resist the Obama juggernaut, have we?  Don't put too much faith in that "R."

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