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Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« on: October 30, 2012, 05:28:58 AM »
We've got a significant chunk of the country being hammered into varying degrees of destruction by this storm. It is conceivable that there may still be large numbers of people without power and other basic services 7 days from now. What affect will that have on the election?

I'm not aware of any constitutional provisions for a rain delay. Is it possible to delay/extend voting in the worst hit areas? If so is it possible to hold the results from the rest of the country so as not to sway the late voters?


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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 06:58:43 AM »
I think there is enough time to get power to critical facilities and voting centers.  We'll see.  I don't think I am in favor of a delay.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 07:05:57 AM »
Congress has the power to change the date of counting the electors and the uniform date of national polling. Nov 6 is not a required date.

But changing it is probably unnecessary.

One of the natures of the electoral college is that it is not a national vote. So whether NY get 8M votes cast, or 1M; if Obama still wins NY, then he still gets all the electoral votes and doesn't change the national scene at all.

The only effect it might have is on swing states, in which case the vote balance will favor the party with the most motivated base... "come hell or high water, I will vote".
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 07:27:31 AM »
I think "delaying" anything would turn a lot of  [tinfoil] people into  [ar15]
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 07:33:42 AM »
It wouldn't surprise me to see Obama's camp calling for a delay.  It wouldn't surprise me to see him try to circumvent Congress and try to delay the election himself.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 07:40:03 AM »
It wouldn't surprise me to see Obama's camp calling for a delay.  It wouldn't surprise me to see him try to circumvent Congress and try to delay the election himself.

Yea, only Congress can do that. And the states have to implement it anyways. There's a lot of logistics involved.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 08:52:07 AM »
Yea, only Congress can do that. And the states have to implement it anyways. There's a lot of logistics involved.

Agreed.  There is no legal or practical way Obama could change the date of the election.  But, given his narcissism, I would not put it past him to try.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 10:25:36 AM »
There's been some talk that certain reports that come out of Washington - consumer confidence, employment, etc. - could be delayed.

A delay of bad news would help Obama.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 11:58:56 AM »
There's been some talk that certain reports that come out of Washington - consumer confidence, employment, etc. - could be delayed.

A delay of bad news would help Obama.
Unless it is worse than what has already been issued, I really doubt it would matter.  I figured no really bad stuff would be issued until after the election anyway.  Now they have an excuse. 
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2012, 03:02:37 PM »
Watching from over here on the calm side of the pond, it does seem that the organization at a state level seems to have been vastly superior to that seen during Katrina, especially in New Jersey. 
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2012, 03:07:19 PM »
Watching from over here on the calm side of the pond, it does seem that the organization at a state level seems to have been vastly superior to that seen during Katrina, especially in New Jersey. 

Different type of people that live there.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2012, 03:36:33 PM »
It wouldn't surprise me to see Obama's camp calling for a delay.  It wouldn't surprise me to see him try to circumvent Congress and try to delay the election himself.

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"Circumvent Congress"  ???  Heck, they just need to get on board and do as he says  ;/
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2012, 03:53:16 PM »
State law controls most of the issues regarding elections, such as the times polls are open, etc.  While Obama may call for a delay in the counting of the electors, it won't matter because the state results will already be in the news, and anyone with a civics book and a calculator can figure out the results.

Where I see it getting interesting is come next Tuesday when someone argues that because of flooding, etc., people should be allowed to vote on Wednesday.  When the state says no, watch the lawsuits fly.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2012, 03:54:40 PM »

Where I see it getting interesting is come next Tuesday when someone argues that because of flooding, etc., people should be allowed to vote on Wednesday.  When the state says no, watch the lawsuits fly.

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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2012, 03:58:57 PM »
Too busy looting to bother with voting? [popcorn]

And they were disenfranchised when the State actually closed the polling places, so these people should be allowed to vote on November 7, 8, and 9!
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2012, 04:32:02 PM »
And they were disenfranchised when the State actually closed the polling places, so these people should be allowed to vote on November 7, 8, and 9!
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2012, 05:14:01 PM »
The more time goes by and this gets discussed on the airwaves, the greater the concern that ANY delay is going to throw such a massive monkey wrench into the political scene that it would be better to get cracking at figuring out how TO vote next Tuesday than to reschedule it.

While NJ Gov. Christie was correct in noting that at the moment his state had "bigger fish to fry" than worrying about the election, that will not necessarily be the situation by, say, the weekend.  The same holds for the other states that are now engaged in disaster recovery.  As long as Obama does not do to the vanilla cities what Bush did to the chocolate ones, there is a good chance that folks can be un-stranded in time to fill in a ballot while getting bottled water off the back of a NG truck.

Quite frankly, my personal view is that the storm and aftermath can do nothing to help Obama and may do enough to cause him to lose by a mandate.  He must "act Presidential" but there is no way he can speed up relief/clean-up/recovery, let alone keep abreast of the toll as Sandy now sweeps towards the Great Lakes and threatens to literally tear down his home town, then sweep up to Minneapolis-St. Paul.  (Honestly, I am greatly conflicted at the threat of Chicago, Madison, and St. Paul being flattened.)  If you thought "Bush slow to respond" was ugly, think what it will be like when the entitlement classes are literally left cold and hungry by the Light-Bringer.

As I say, I am greatly conflicted.

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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2012, 05:18:05 PM »
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He must "act Presidential"

Yeah, his first step was to flee to Florida before the storm.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2012, 07:28:52 PM »
Yeah....but he took along a bucket to help "bail out".

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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 09:16:09 PM »
Yeah....but he took along a bucket to help "bail out".

and a TARP to cover a leaking roof?




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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2012, 11:26:54 PM »
Minimal, In my humble opinion
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2012, 10:06:04 AM »
What an ass.  During a stop to check on Hurricane relief...."I want every agency to lean forward[barf]
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2012, 10:13:44 AM »
I think Obama's personal popularity will increase as a result of the storm.  Whether or not that translates into votes is another matter.  He's the President and has center stage.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2012, 10:38:03 AM »
I think Obama's personal popularity will increase as a result of the storm.  Whether or not that translates into votes is another matter.  He's the President and has center stage.
That is only going to happen if he "acts Presidential".  I am not sure he is capable right now.  Despiration and arrogance are a bad mix.
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Re: Effects of Hurricane on the election?
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2012, 10:40:55 AM »
I think Obama's personal popularity will increase as a result of the storm.  Whether or not that translates into votes is another matter.  He's the President and has center stage.

Agreed. He gets to look important without having to actually do anything. Governor Christie won't stop singing his praises while the media has nothing to ask Romney except why he wants to cut FEMA.
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