We are *expletive deleted*ed

[Fitz]

Why did my post get deleted?

EDIT

sorry, wrong thread. Found it

[Perd Hapley]

There are geniuses saying that the Republican Party must adapt to the current demographic transformation. I say the opposite.  We need to get beyond race and ethnicity, not promote and embrace it.  America is supposed to be about the individual, but right now it is about anything but.

Yes. Appealing to group x and group y makes Republicans into Democrats. If we want a small-government party, it has to be one that says "Here is the plan for the whole country, of whatever race, creed, gender we may be."

Let's divide Americans from America-haters, not black from white.

[Hutch]

There is utterly no proof of this.

This was not ever a contest of a conservative and a liberal candidate.

Doesn't matter.  In politics, perception is reality.  Whether Obama is more of a statist than Romney matters less than the how the electorate sees it.  The voters thought they had a choice between a left-wing, full-tilt-and-boogie statist, and a center-right "moderate".  They chose... poorly.  Proof that you seek is impossible, because a rock-ribbed libertarian/conservative can't get a major party nomination.  Which I believe illustrates my point.  Which is:

Until we have a new and awful defining moment, that so clearly identifies the inherent weaknesses of statism/nanny state liberalism, we are not going to change the paradigm.  Neither Benghazi, nor a bond-rating debacle, nor the bulldozing of a patently unConstitutional healthcare law the Congress, nor a festering, moribund economy has been enough to shake the electorate's faith in Big Government.  It's going to take a dinosaur-killer type of event to shake the electorate's view of our benevolent, paternalistic state.  I don't want to imagine how much suffering that transformative event would have to cause.

[Jamisjockey]

Heard several pundits on TV making excuses for the weak candidate pool last night and talking up how the young stud rising stars of the GOP stayed out of the race and how excited they are for 2016.

 

The GOP has no balls, especially if the President isn't investigated and impeached over Bengazi.

[Perd Hapley]

Doesn't matter.  In politics, perception is reality.  Whether Obama is more of a statist than Romney matters less than the how the electorate sees it.  The voters thought they had a choice between a left-wing, full-tilt-and-boogie statist, and a center-right "moderate". 

Not the majority of voters (those who voted for Obama). They thought it was a choice between a moderate center/leftist and a job-outsourcer that also takes away health care.

[Ron]

Eight years of Clinton, eight years of Bush capped off by eight years of Obama?

There is no way the republic can withstand that shellacking and survive in any recognizable shape.

[RoadKingLarry]

Why did my post get deleted?

Obama  had it redacted

[MicroBalrog]

Doesn't matter.  In politics, perception is reality.  Whether Obama is more of a statist than Romney matters less than the how the electorate sees it.  The voters thought they had a choice between a left-wing, full-tilt-and-boogie statist, and a center-right "moderate".  They chose... poorly.  Proof that you seek is impossible, because a rock-ribbed libertarian/conservative can't get a major party nomination. 

And yet Reagan did and Goldwater did.

Romney was incapable of enunciating his position, of explaining why 'his way was better'. This is why he lost, and why he thoroughly deserved to lose.

It is foolish to wait for a cataclysmic event to 'demonstrate' something to the voters - people whose views tend towards the megastate will simply 'conclude' that 'the system has failed' and the solution is even more megastate solutions.  This is how every major emergency, and almost every fake emergency, in the last 100  years had worked out.  WW1, the Great Depression, WW2, Vietnam, the Cold War, the Kennedy assassination, the crime wave of the 1970's and 1980's, the War on Terror and the last 'market collapse' - each of these left the political status-quo to 'conclude' naturally what it had always wanted to conclude - that more and expanded state measures were supposedly needed. The only way that the public will ever make a new conclusion is activism (from voting to civil disobedience) and educational efforts to persuade them that something different would work. There are no short-cuts. Cowardice won't work, crafty political subterfuge won't work, miracles will not happen. Only the bravery to repeatedly restate the truth and the hard work of repeating the truth again and again, year after year, during elections and in off-years, no matter how unpopular or ridiculous it might seem, will eventually shift the game.

[charby]

I'm also adopting an "open discrimination" policy towards all Democrats (non violent). My money will not go to any Democrat. Any friends who voted Democrat will no longer be friends.  Anyone working for me that is a democrat, won't work for me for long.

What if your best worker is a Democrat?

[zxcvbob]

Well, who's Obama going to blame all the problems on now?

"It's Bush's Fault"®

[slingshot]

Time to pick up the pieces and move forward.  I'm worried however.

[Ben]

Work (in a fed building, where partisan political talk is supposed to be banned) is going to be intolerable today.

[Fitz]

There are a lot of people worried here where I work. We are not an overhead project... so there's a very real danger of sequestration destroying our jobs.

[Marnoot]

The politics of failure have failed. We need to make them work again.

"It's Bush's Fault"®

This. Obama's excuses won't change any.

[Monkeyleg]

Polls last night were showing that the public believes the economy is still Bush's fault.  

The GOP has no balls, especially if the President isn't investigated and impeached over Bengazi.

You're assuming the public is going to hear the story. If an embassy is attacked and people die, and you don't hear it from the media, did the embassy get attacked?

[SADShooter]

I know the origin/attribution are in question, but the sentiment seems appropriate, anyway.

"    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

    Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. "

[lysander6]

Even if Romney got in, merely a change of plantation owners with minimal disruption in the ongoing statist project.

I didn't vote so at least I am not part of the problem.  Ask yourself this:  how much would you pay to cast an individual vote?  The reason lobbyists spend so much is they are laser-focused on a specific wealth transfer.  The R and D factions spent almost two billion to get at the helm of trillions of dollars, that is a healthy return on investment for the winner. The individual vote: worthless.   

See:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

What next?  Prep for the coming collapse.  Stop wasting time on politics.

[Monkeyleg]

Even if Romney got in, merely a change of plantation owners with minimal disruption in the ongoing statist project.

I didn't vote so at least I am not part of the problem.  Ask yourself this:  how much would you pay to cast an individual vote?  The reason lobbyists spend so much is they are laser-focused on a specific wealth transfer.  The R and D factions spent almost two billion to get at the helm of trillions of dollars, that is a healthy return on investment for the winner. The individual vote: worthless.   

See:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

What next?  Prep for the coming collapse.  Stop wasting time on politics.

You didn't vote and you're not part of the problem? 

[slingshot]

I know the origin/attribution are in question, but the sentiment seems appropriate, anyway.

"    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

    Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. "

That is about what I see for the future.  I don't know if there is a way to stop this snowball from growing. The president said he has a lot of work to do... understatement of the year.....  I don't see blue skys and sun shine.  I see cloudy skys and a storm that is brewing.

[AZRedhawk44]

You didn't vote and you're not part of the problem? 

Do you REALLY think Romney was going to about-face the whole host of problems caused by the previous 2+ administrations?

Really?

Look at the number of people who deliberately didn't vote.  

It's greater than the number of people who did.

We voted for Nobody^TM.

Nobody^TM will balance the budget.

Nobody^TM will stop the warmongering.

Nobody^TM will repeal the Patriot Act.

Nobody^TM will honor States' Rights.

and so on.

Nobody^TM is the only sane candidate.

[Waitone]

Only one question was asked in this election and we received only one answer:  "How fast will we go into the wall".  Avoiding the wall was never on the agenda.  When engaging in a post election navel-fest avoid the tendency to redefine the participants.  Romney was and is a northeastern republican.  He was never going to do what had to be done to salvage the republic.  No chance that he would dismantle our incipient police state.  No chance that he would really deal with the causes of inflation.  No chance that he would cut back on spending.  It just was not going to happen.  Well now we have re-elected a man who is by any measure an abysmal failure at governance with the added feature he has no agenda.  It will not take long for the man to assume the role of a wolf amongst sheep.  He will become out of control in implementing his agenda.  And all we have standing between us and his utopian wet dreams is a gelded republican party.  

I normally go to the likker store on Friday.  I had to make a trip today just to make it to Friday.

[brimic]

NobodyTM is the only sane candidate.

So true.

Only one question was asked in this election and we received only one answer:  "How fast will we go into the wall".  Avoiding the wall was never on the agenda.  When engaging in a post election navel-fest avoid the tendency to redefine the participants.  Romney was and is a northeastern republican.  He was never going to do what had to be done to salvage the republic.  No chance that he would dismantle our incipient police state.  No chance that he would really deal with the causes of inflation.  No chance that he would cut back on spending.  It just was not going to happen.  Well now we have re-elected a man who is by any measure an abysmal failure at governance with the added feature he has no agenda.  It will not take long for the man to assume the role of a wolf amongst sheep.  He will become out of control in implementing his agenda.  And all we have standing between us and his utopian wet dreams is a gelded republican party.

That as well.

[lysander6]

Monkeyleg,

Really?  I respectfully disagree.  So I just want to get this straight:  there is a contest between two serial killers to have an impact on my life, one has murdered thirteen and the other twelve and I should vote for the lesser of two evils which, of course, means I have a preference for evil. My vote does not mean a damn thing in national elections.  It makes no economic sense nor does it make a difference in the insane sinking statist ship America.

Now once NOBODY is a candidate and a majority of votes leaves the office vacant if NOBODY gets the majority of votes, I will go to the polls.  Until then, I will spend election day reloading and prepping.

Civic responsibility and duty is obedience to government and nothing more ornate than that.

[longeyes]

Heard several pundits on TV making excuses for the weak candidate pool last night and talking up how the young stud rising stars of the GOP stayed out of the race and how excited they are for 2016.

 

The GOP has no balls, especially if the President isn't investigated and impeached over Bengazi.

By 2016 the Constitution will have been shredded.  They are dreaming.

I am hearing a lot of escapist nonsense from the rightwing chatter class this morning.  They can't accept the reality of what has happened.  Go back to the '60s and figure it out, pundit geniuses.  All they think of us is how they need to "brown" the GOP.  Yes, let us think with our DNA, that will save liberty.

[longeyes]

Doesn't matter.  In politics, perception is reality.  Whether Obama is more of a statist than Romney matters less than the how the electorate sees it.  The voters thought they had a choice between a left-wing, full-tilt-and-boogie statist, and a center-right "moderate".  They chose... poorly.  Proof that you seek is impossible, because a rock-ribbed libertarian/conservative can't get a major party nomination.  Which I believe illustrates my point.  Which is:

Until we have a new and awful defining moment, that so clearly identifies the inherent weaknesses of statism/nanny state liberalism, we are not going to change the paradigm.  Neither Benghazi, nor a bond-rating debacle, nor the bulldozing of a patently unConstitutional healthcare law the Congress, nor a festering, moribund economy has been enough to shake the electorate's faith in Big Government.  It's going to take a dinosaur-killer type of event to shake the electorate's view of our benevolent, paternalistic state.  I don't want to imagine how much suffering that transformative event would have to cause.

And outside "politics" reality is still reality.  We are still going to implode financially and we are still going to find ourselves dealing with an implacable enemy abroad and we are still at sea as a culture internally. 

We needed a shock, though, to remind us we are at war, and we got one.  That is worth something.  Reality is a great teacher.