Regulating the Interwebz.

[Scout26]

As brought to you by the same fun bunch that brought observers to watch our recent election.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/?intcmp=obnetwork

In addition to putting the internet under the control of one organization we have the Money Quote:

They would like to implement a law that would require all makers of rechargeable batteries to make them 30 percent smaller and more efficient.

Physics and Chemistry be damned.  If we say so then it will be.

[41magsnub]

As brought to you by the same fun bunch that brought observers to watch our recent election.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/?intcmp=obnetwork

In addition to putting the internet under the control of one organization we have the Money Quote:
Physics and Chemistry be damned.  If we say so then it will be.

While we are at it I demand a network of tubes to replace the interstate highway system.

[TommyGunn]

In addition to putting the internet under the control of one organization we have the Money Quote:
Physics and Chemistry be damned.  If we say so then it will be.

How is that supposed to work?  Say you make a AA battery 30% smaller .... it won't fit in the receptacle and the contacts won't contact.   

[Scout26]

How is that supposed to work?  Say you make a AA battery 30% smaller .... it won't fit in the receptacle and the contacts won't contact.   

Logic is not allowed here !!!  We have written a law/regulation that says that batteries will be 30% smaller and efficient.  Therefore, it shall be.

[Jamisjockey]

As brought to you by the same fun bunch that brought observers to watch our recent election.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/?intcmp=obnetwork

In addition to putting the internet under the control of one organization we have the Money Quote:
Physics and Chemistry be damned.  If we say so then it will be.

Same type of thinking that brings us CAFE standards.  Will it into existance! 

[GigaBuist]

“They would like to implement a law that would require all makers of rechargeable batteries to make them 30 percent smaller and more efficient. They claim to have a study that says they can do this though proper regulations and requirements,” Embrich said.

Rough guess here, but I'm assuming the regs are just to keep people from using NiCd batteries in cell phones.  NiCd has pretty much been done away with in Europe because of toxicity concerns.  Lithium ion, which is what we all use in our cells in the US, doesn't have that problem, and they're smaller, and something like 98% efficient.

Money Quote:
Physics and Chemistry be damned.  If we say so then it will be.

Or just maybe it's a mandate to quit using 1970's battery technology.

[Regolith]

Rough guess here, but I'm assuming the regs are just to keep people from using NiCd batteries in cell phones.  NiCd has pretty much been done away with in Europe because of toxicity concerns.  Lithium ion, which is what we all use in our cells in the US, doesn't have that problem, and they're smaller, and something like 98% efficient.

Or just maybe it's a mandate to quit using 1970's battery technology.

If that's the goal, why not just say "NO MORE NiCd FOR YOU!"?

[CypherNinja]

Because then somebody would just point out something silly like Lithium availability or sources. 

[Boomhauer]

You know, if I want a NiCad battery, I should be able to have one. I prefer them in my power tools, for example. Much cheaper than the Lithiums.

[seeker_two]

They would like to implement a law that would require all makers of rechargeable batteries to make them 30 percent smaller and more efficient

.....so the Fisker Karmas will burn more efficently  using smaller fires....

[dm1333]

Emrich said one proposal, to be funded by $53B in U.S. dollars, is to connect North and South America using a massive telecom pipeline. Another rule would cover cell phone batteries.
“They would like to implement a law that would require all makers of rechargeable batteries to make them 30 percent smaller and more efficient. They claim to have a study that says they can do this though proper regulations and requirements,” Embrich said

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz2Bw0m3SL9

It isn't the same organization that sent people to observe our recent elections, either.   

http://www.osce.org/odihr

[birdman]

Because then somebody would just point out something silly like Lithium availability or sources. 

Yup.  All hail Bolivia.

[Scout26]

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz2Bw0m3SL9

It isn't the same organization that sent people to observe our recent elections, either.   

http://www.osce.org/odihr

I was referring to the UN. 

[dm1333]

I know, but it wasn't the UN that sent people here to observe our elections.

[MicroBalrog]

You know, if I want a NiCad battery, I should be able to have one.

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[GigaBuist]

If that's the goal, why not just say "NO MORE NiCd FOR YOU!"?

Like I said, it's a rough guess.  I don't care about the issue enough to actually figure out what the Fox News article is really talking about.  They say they want batteries 30% more efficient but don't give a reference point.  30% more efficient/smaller than the best stuff coming out of an MIT lab or 30% more efficient/smaller than 1890's batteries?

*shrug*

Odds are we've got a journalist writing about legislation that he doesn't understand covering technology he doesn't understand and the legislation was written by those that also don't really understand the technology.

Or, you know, par for the course.

[birdman]

What do they mean by efficiency?  Round trip energy storage efficiency?  Because even crappy batteries can do 80-90% at reasonable discharge and charge rates....so they want 110-120% efficient batteries?

[Scout26]

What do they mean by efficiency?  Round trip energy storage efficiency?  Because even crappy batteries can do 80-90% at reasonable discharge and charge rates....so they want 110-120% efficient batteries?

Yes, they want to be able to X amount of energy into a battery and draw 1.3X energy out.

Or it's what Giga said.