Why is "stand your ground" so hard to understand? (Better now, spelling gods??)

[longeyes]

Maybe the reason folks keep calling us racist is because we keep making racist statements and then saying "Oh, you know what I really meant."

Yeah, I get that the left uses the race card to suppress dissent. That doesn't give us the right to make their slanders accurate. No matter how you really meant it in your heart. 

What is the racist statements?  That a lot of non-white on white crime is racially motivated? 

[Balog]

What is the racist statements?  That a lot of non-white on white crime is racially motivated? 

That's not what you said now is it?

We are expected to just take beat-downs, folks.  If you don't believe me, ask liberals and minorities.

[brimic]

The race pimping left is going to call conservative whites racist regardless of whether conservative whites point out verifiable truths or not.
I'd rather be on the side of truth than someone else's speech suppression political correctness when it comes to pointing out the white elephant in the room.

[RoadKingLarry]

The race pimping left is going to call conservative whites racist regardless of whether conservative whites point out verifiable truths or not.
I'd rather be on the side of truth than someone else's speech suppression political correctness when it comes to pointing out the white elephant in the room.

Racist!

Probably a woman hating homophobe as well.

[ArfinGreebly]

Probably a woman hating homophobe as well.

Better than being a sapiens-phobe.

[longeyes]

That's not what you said now is it?

I was of course generalizing, but I stand by my statement.

[zxcvbob]

...pointing out the white elephant in the room.

That's the most racist thing I ever herd.

[Strings]

>There is racial animus and dislike if not hatred of the other going on and it isn't coming from the libertarian/right side of the equation.<

DING DING DING! We have a winnah!

And honestly, there ARE a large number of minorities on the anti gun/anti self-defense side of the equation.

Even some otherwise conservative minorities come down on the anti side. There's a LOT of culture there that's against the modern idea of self-defense

[LadySmith]

Even some otherwise conservative minorities come down on the anti side.

That's because...

Maybe the reason folks keep calling us racist is because we keep making racist statements and then saying "Oh, you know what I really meant."

I do declare, sometimes pro-gun libertarians talking about minorities is an awful lot like republicans talking about women.

[brimic]

Racist!

Probably a woman hating homophobe as well.

I'm an equal opportunity offender.

[Perd Hapley]

That's because...

I do declare, sometimes pro-gun libertarians talking about minorities is an awful lot like republicans talking about women.

You mean, people assume the worst because of pervasive programming carried out over decades by a left-wing media/entertainment complex that is itself programmed to believe a Republicans-as-bigoted-old-white-men stereotype that has no basis in fact?

Of course that's what you mean. If you meant it any other way, you'd be saying something really stupid there.

[Ron]

That's because...

I do declare, sometimes pro-gun libertarians talking about minorities is an awful lot like republicans talking about women.

There is no good way to talk about it honestly. Because the honest truth hurts and it frankly sucks.

There is an inner city welfare subculture that needs an intervention. It isn't healthy for the state and more importantly it isn't healthy for those who are stuck in a generational dependency on the government.

While we are at it we also need to destroy the small town and countryside multi generational welfare dependency culture. It used to consist mostly of drunks but now we have the joys of meth to contend with.  

Are you folks happy now? I felt obligated to bitch about the white dependency class and tweakers as well as the thug culture so as not to look like a racist.

[brimic]

There is an inner city welfare subculture that needs an intervention. It isn't healthy for the state and more importantly it isn't healthy for those who are stuck in a generational dependency on the government.

It is healthy for the 'state' and the 'statist' politicians and that is why it exists.
Whether is be the 'war on poverty' or the 'war on some drugs', the finger can be pointed directly at those who perpetuate both.

[longeyes]

There is no good way to talk about it honestly. Because the honest truth hurts and it frankly sucks.

There is an inner city welfare subculture that needs an intervention. It isn't healthy for the state and more importantly it isn't healthy for those who are stuck in a generational dependency on the government.

While we are at it we also need to destroy the small town and countryside multi generational welfare dependency culture. It used to consist mostly of drunks but now we have the joys of meth to contend with.  

Are you folks happy now? I felt obligated to bitch about the white dependency class and tweakers as well as the thug culture so as not to look like a racist.

+1

The spiritual core has been sucked out of America.  And not just in the inner city.  Both parties live off myth and meth.

[Perd Hapley]

Are you folks happy now?

What do you mean "you folks"? 

It is indeed sad that when the Tea Party, the GOP, etc. are charged with the sin of being too white, the lefties are really saying that Americans of color prefer a backward, anti-liberty, pro-poverty, anti-reason politics. The sad part is, they're mostly correct. Any attempt to reach out to minorities will, of course, be dismissed by the racialists as more racism.

[ArfinGreebly]

If yer breakin' into my house, I don't care what "race" y'all wanna be.

Breakin' into my house makes you a thug, and y'all look alike to me.

[De Selby]

I read this thread, and it gets even harder to figure out why minorities don't vote republican.  I mean, why on earth wouldn't they vote for people who lecture them about crime and dependency? 

 

[TommyGunn]

DeSelby, are you saying that minorities are dependent on crime?

[SADShooter]

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence..." John Adams, aka some rich racist white guy.

[longeyes]

I read this thread, and it gets even harder to figure out why minorities don't vote republican.  I mean, why on earth wouldn't they vote for people who lecture them about crime and dependency? 

 

Maybe the real problem is no one does.

[De Selby]

Maybe the real problem is no one does.

There's no shortage of lecturing - it'll probably slow down once folks figure out that it is political suicide, though.

It's scary to realise just how many people genuinely believe that we are living in the Turner Diaries.  Myself, I find the idea of a racial plot to undo the law of self defense and subjugate white people too ridiculous to ponder.

[TommyGunn]

There's no shortage of lecturing - it'll probably slow down once folks figure out that it is political suicide, though.

It's scary to realise just how many people genuinely believe that we are living in the Turner Diaries.  Myself, I find the idea of a racial plot to undo the law of self defense and subjugate white people too ridiculous to ponder.

I thought it was Atlas Shrugged ......

[longeyes]

There's no shortage of lecturing - it'll probably slow down once folks figure out that it is political suicide, though.

It's scary to realise just how many people genuinely believe that we are living in the Turner Diaries.  Myself, I find the idea of a racial plot to undo the law of self defense and subjugate white people too ridiculous to ponder.

So does the DOJ.

[Perd Hapley]

I read this thread, and it gets even harder to figure out why minorities don't vote republican.  I mean, why on earth wouldn't they vote for people who lecture them about crime and dependency? 

 

Huh?  Other than Cosby or Farrakhan, who is lecturing minorities about crime and dependency?

[Ron]

And once again who is conflating all minorities with the subcultures being discussed?

Maybe the problem is the racial solidarity of all the groups. Except Caucasians, the only group where a goodly percentage doesn't view everything through the prism of race.

What kind of bizarre world is it when you point out that murder problem in our big cities is primarily a black and/or Mexican gang problem and a black doctor gets offended?  That is the kind of lunacy that happens on this subject.