NRA Prediction Thread

[Perd Hapley]

the description of the nra's remarks as hysteria.its similar to the lefts use of racist.

   No.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

  No.

thanks for the affirmation

[Hawkmoon]

I happen to agree about the violent video games, but I'm in a minority even here so I don't see that getting any traction and I believe it was a mistake to stress it -- probably to even mention it.

I would have preferred it if Wayne had joined the call for simply repealing gun-free school zones and allowing teachers, staff, and parents who have carry permits to carry sidearms in schools. His proposal IMHO plays into the "Only the police are trained to have guns" mentality.

And I would have preferred it if he had made more of a point that the issue isn't "gun" violence, the issue is "school" violence, and therefore that any efforts focusing exclusively or primarily on guns are missing the point.

[seeker_two]

Let's see.....

1. Avoid suggesting that Gun-Free Zones be repealed....CHECK.

2. Go off on a tangent of blaming inanimate objects (video games) for evil behavior....CHECK.

3. Support creating another level of gov't bureaucracy to create a gov't funded program that may trickle money to the NRA....CHECK.

4. Take a group of professionals responsible enough to care for your children and refuse to acknowledge that they could be responsible enough to provide their own armed security....CHECK.

Yep....sounds like a NRA speech to me....

[seeker_two]

I think it will go like this...

1. Condolences to the victims & families.
2. Offer to help school districts in securing their schools via training, whether they go armed or not.
3. Reaffirm 2A, Heller, & MacDonald and oppose any new gun-control laws.

....anything other than that risks the NRA sounding like another "Stupid Party"....

Well.....they even found a way to screw this up.... 

[Ben]

While I'm not a fan of "blaming video games and movies", I'm seeing this as a short term, strategic move by the NRA to disperse some blame away from guns, and maybe to stick a burr under the saddle of the entertainment industry's horse.

The NRA knows its way around inside the beltway. They take a lot of heat sometimes for how they operate and for making concessions on some stuff, but they've continually been a big enough player that they get to have sit-downs with congressmen and senators. To me that's huge, and the only way they can continue to do that is to play by beltway rules, and hopefully from time to time blindside and checkmate our opponents.

If the NRA started playing the bulldog, they would lose important alliances in DC. And frankly, when organizations like GOA have played attack dog, I've continually seen them put down for being too activist and making gun owners look bad. I kinda like that we can have organizations like GOA play bulldog and play on the edge and bring stuff to the forefront that the NRA can't easily do, while having the NRA remain the beltway behemoth.

[Balog]

Oh sweet flaming Jesus on a Pogo Stick.

1.  I didn't hear the NRA call for metal detectors, "people sniffers", Porn-o-scopes, or even having the little tykes remove their shoes before entering their school.  So where did you get "TSA'ing our schools"?  I've gone back and re-read what Wayne La Pierre said.   "armed security", "armed police officers", "Armed, trained, qualified school security personnel".  

2.  Last I checked Mental Health is a disqualifying disability.  But you have to be adjudicated.  I didn't hear a call to change that process.  You probably don't remember when GOA was going on and on about how some bill the NRA endorsed was going to take all Vet's 2A rights from them.  But, when actually reading the bill, there was nothing of the sort in there.  In fact, it restored the right so thousands of vets that had been put in the NICS database during the Clinton administration, without being adjudicated.  There isn't a person that would not agree that Lanza, the Aurora movie guy, Gabby Giffords shooter, VA Tech shooter, or any other of the mass shooters were not Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs.  In fact people who were very familiar with them all stated that they thought they "needed help."  Yet, they did nothing to get them that help.   If someone is that broken, they need family, friends, teachers, etc to step in and get them help and/or treatment and if that means having them adjudicated as "Mentally Defective", then so be it, if it gets them the help they need.

3.  I didn't hear them call for a repeal of the 1st Amendment.  I heard them shame the MSM for their complicity:  

Finally, I haven't seen a written bill on what they propose.  However, I'd be much more willing to bet that an NRA bill does more to protect ALL my rights, then  one written by Joe Biden and friends.

Calling for hundreds of thousands more cops perpetuates the police state, and turns schools into prisons. Cops kill more innocents than all the spree killers put together, so I don't want another massive and wasteful bureaucracy in place to put the people far more statistically likely to kill kids in place in schools.

Mental health for folks who have been adjudicated is already disqualifying. Ergo, he must be calling for something additional. Otherwise all he was saying was we should enforce the law, which btw did nothing to prevent this. And as an aside, plenty of folks think that having more than a couple hundred rounds for a gun or believing the 2nd is about bein able to fight the government means you need help. I swear to God do you not remember the lesson of the Patriot Act? You give the gov that power and it'll be used against people who want to limit the gov not whatever boogeyman was used to pass the law.

Blaming inanimate objects for behavior is bullshit even when you don't like the objects. It's pathetic.

[Perd Hapley]

Just to clarify, Balog, given one of your comments, I did not re-up with the NRA because they are ZOMG wonnerful!!! I did it because it's very good for our cause for the most high profile gun group to gain membership right now. It sends a message to both sides that millions of us are going to stick to our guns. And because I don't want to be AWOL when the fight is on. Which is why I'm also going to get back into the SAF.

[Balog]

Just to clarify, Balog, given one of your comments, I did not re-up with the NRA because they are ZOMG wonnerful!!! I did it because it's very good for our cause for the most high profile gun group to gain membership right now. It sends a message to both sides that millions of us are going to stick to our guns. And because I don't want to be AWOL when the fight is on. Which is why I'm also going to get back into the SAF.

SAF I'll give money to. A "gun rights" org that wants to throw my rights to the wolves because I've had psych treatment? F### 'em.

[red headed stranger]

Just to clarify, Balog, given one of your comments, I did not re-up with the NRA because they are ZOMG wonnerful!!! I did it because it's very good for our cause for the most high profile gun group to gain membership right now. It sends a message to both sides that millions of us are going to stick to our guns. And because I don't want to be AWOL when the fight is on. Which is why I'm also going to get back into the SAF.

My sentiments are similar to Fistful's.  We have found ourselves in the middle of a significant 2nd amendment battle. As Rumsfeld might say, "You go to war with the NRA you have, not the NRA you want."  I do not agree with their tactics on everything, but I do know that at this juncture they alone have the clout to hold congresscritters feet to the fire, and block the gun bills that are coming. I also think that the NRA knows that a lot of us 2nd amendment absolutists are watching. 

The NRA, SAF, CCRKBA, and AZCDL all got money from me recently, as they are all part of the same cause, and have different roles to play. 

[Perd Hapley]

SAF I'll give money to. A "gun rights" org that wants to throw my rights to the wolves because I've had psych treatment? F### 'em.

I don't think they've done that, but of course you must use your own best judgment.

I hope my comment about being AWOL wasn't taken the wrong way. I was talking about myself, and no one else. I don't think you're doing anything wrong by not supporting them. I think you just have a different opinion than I do.

[red headed stranger]

The SAF is an outstanding organization, but their role is primarily to deal with bad laws after they have been passed.  I would prefer that the bad laws are killed when they are still just a bill. 

[Balog]

As fisty says, we all have to use our own best judgement. I think the feds are trying backdoor a lot of bad law through the "mental health" BS, and I feel like the NRA is feeding into that. I don't really care if the lynch mob coming after my rights prefers the Brady's or the NRA.

[Ron]

We should give zero ground and reject the progressive/media narrative out of hand.

Immediately shift to the right of self defense using the best tools available.

 

[birdman]

I am a NRA life member, a SAF life member, and if anyone recommends other ones, ill sign up for those as well.  Hell, I donate money to ANY legitimate RKBA supporting organization, from a single person (Oleg) to a monolith (NRA).

The reason I push for the NRA and am a member is different org's do different things, but one thing the NRA does is promote various programs (Eddie eagle in particular) that increase firearm safety and awareness in a way that gets more to our side.  What I've found is the vast majority of people actually enjoy shooting once they try it, and just have few opportunities to do so.  The NRA recognizes this.  You may say they cater to sportsman over pure RKBA, but for every X people that become firearm owners due to sport, there is a non-zero fraction that also become (over time) strong RKBA as well, so swelling the ranks of either works to our advantage.

[Ron]

I'm a lifetime NRA member with no regrets.

[TechMan]

I am just shy of getting my Life Membership (EPL).  Should have it by March.

[gunsmith]

I have been a life member for awhile now, have been wearing the jacket more often too

[Scout26]

I'd be interested to know exactly what the NRA has proposed in regards to mental health, that you find so offensive?

[Gewehr98]

My local range called me, and are offering NRA life memberships for $300.00.

So I signed up tonight...

[Nick1911]

Personally, the NRA impressed me.

I intend to sign up again, perhaps see about a life membership.  But, they have to add me to the "Do not market to" list.  Last time I was a member, I'm pretty sure they spent all my money on postage mailing me propaganda/offers.

[red headed stranger]

My local range called me, and are offering NRA life memberships for $300.00.

So I signed up tonight...

What I find funny is that there are a number of the anti-gun folks scoffing at the increase in NRA memberships by saying "Of course they have more members, life membership is now only $300 instead of $1000!"  I wonder how many of the Brady supporters bother to donate $25, let alone $300 or $1000?  

[Balog]

I'd be interested to know exactly what the NRA has proposed in regards to mental health, that you find so offensive?

Anything more than what we do now (adjudicated as a danger unable to own guns) is offensive to me, as it will likely bar me and most other combat vets from gun ownership. So since they are proposing "doing more" the exact details aren't terribly relevant. Trusting the NRA to not sell me out is kind of like NY residents trusting their GOP senators.

[RoadKingLarry]

I don't have a link but I do like the NRAs ad calling Obama a hypocrit because his kids go to school with armed security but the rest of us don't need it.

[red headed stranger]

I don't have a link but I do like the NRAs ad calling Obama a hypocrit because his kids go to school with armed security but the rest of us don't need it.

So far, it's a pretty good PR campaign. 

http://www.nrastandandfight.com/school-security.html