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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2013, 01:24:31 PM »
Do you have a sound editor?  Especially one with VU meters?

If not, you could load it into this -> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/soundforge

And play it, see what it does.  If the song itself has the clipping, it'll show on the VU meters (at the top, it'll display the word CLIP in red boxes, if the song is actually clipping.)

If it's in the song itself, maybe some players automatically compensate for clipping whereas others don't.


Pegged the meters on both channels pretty much the entire song.  Not "bouncing off the top" pegged, either.  More like "smacked hard against the stops and barely moving" pegged.  No wonder it sounds like heck.  I used the Amazon-sourced file, not my ripped one.  You'd think the conversion software at Amazon's mp3 sourcing company would have alerted on something like this (presuming the file didn't come directly from the studio). 

Oh, to clear up any confusion this is for the My Darkest Days song 'Porn Star Dancing' (album version, not the remix).  I was able to get a clean rip of RockStar last night.

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 02:37:13 PM »
You'd think the people trying to sell the music would actually try to post a good copy of it.  If it sounds like crap, who would want to buy it? 

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 02:39:22 PM »
Pegged the meters on both channels pretty much the entire song.  Not "bouncing off the top" pegged, either.  More like "smacked hard against the stops and barely moving" pegged.  No wonder it sounds like heck.  I used the Amazon-sourced file, not my ripped one.  You'd think the conversion software at Amazon's mp3 sourcing company would have alerted on something like this (presuming the file didn't come directly from the studio). 

Oh, to clear up any confusion this is for the My Darkest Days song 'Porn Star Dancing' (album version, not the remix).  I was able to get a clean rip of RockStar last night.

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2013, 04:13:57 PM »
You have absolutely atrocious taste in music.

Don't make me go all Lawrence Welk on you...

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2013, 05:24:12 PM »
That's what you get for downloading porn music.
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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 05:38:18 PM »
I don't think I could identify a Nickelback song by ear.

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2013, 06:10:19 PM »
My excuse is that I listen to stuff that makes Baby Jeebus cry and Bluegrass, but I repeat myself. ;)

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2013, 10:16:34 PM »
You'd think the conversion software at Amazon's mp3 sourcing company would have alerted on something like this (presuming the file didn't come directly from the studio).

Their MP3 feed comes right from the record label.  They aren't stuffing CDs into a machine and ripping them.  The label supplies them.  Trust me, I did this for a living.

If your own CD rip and the Amazon MP3 show the same distortion I suspect you've found a bug in the psycho-acoustic algorithms used to turn sound into a compressed MP3.  Although I'll admit that sounds pretty far-fetched.

What the psycho-acoustic algorithms do is compress the sound signal down to what our ears can actually hear.  If you've got a -21db sound value at 11kHz and a -20db sound vlaue at 11.5kHz they just present the louder one in compressed music.  It's a horrible example, but that's basically what happens.  They only present what you're most likely to hear, or want to hear.

But, given that this is Nickleback, the "what you want to hear" probably bumped up pretty hard against the psycho-acoustic model because nobody in their right mind would want to hear that *expletive deleted*it.




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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 11:20:34 PM »
Same here. I thought people hated them because they are ubiquitous, right? So how did Chris and I manage to escape?

You listen to much fm modern alt/rock radio? And folks hate Nickelback because they're talentless hacks.
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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2013, 09:26:03 AM »
I don't hate them because they're talentless. In fact, they're not completely talentless, and are pretty skilled at what they do.

I hate them because they're self-rightous pricks who have forgotten their duty to their fans.

Two walk offs (and cancelled shows) that I'm aware of. One because an empty plastic water bottle got thrown on stage and hit one of them, and another because a crowd wasn't cheering loud enough. Both shows ended after only a few songs.

DIckheads.

I'm not even famous, and I wouldn't do that *expletive deleted*it.
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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2013, 06:32:00 PM »

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2013, 06:51:38 PM »
so, still better then creed? [popcorn]

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2013, 06:58:03 PM »
so, still better then creed? [popcorn]

Hate nickelback

But yes. They're better than creed
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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2013, 11:36:38 PM »
Update...

I was renting a couple movies tonight and they had the CD on clearance way cheap.

The static is in the CD version, too!!??

You'd think the studio engineer would have picked up on it, but apparently not.  Weird.

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2013, 11:56:34 PM »
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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2013, 10:48:22 PM »
Update...

I was renting a couple movies tonight and they had the CD on clearance way cheap.

The static is in the CD version, too!!??

Huh.  When I wrote my original post I assumed that the original CD played correctly and your rip contained the same static as the Amazon MP3 via some weird psycho-acoustic compression that didn't make any sense.

Guess they borked it right up at the master level and pushed it all down.  That makes total sense.

Had a weird one (jukebox days) once where a Tom Petty song started out with a good 8 seconds of him and them flipped to some black guy singing the blues.  Strangest thing.  I believe it was just a single, so we pulled the entire album, but I could be wrong.  I do not recall the details on how we resolved it.  Wasn't our fault, the label just fed us sh*t data.  That's all there was to it.  Their ability to manage data was incredibly poor.  I couldn't believe the crap they did.

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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
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Re: Static in an MP3 file? WTF?
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2013, 09:40:38 PM »
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I don't hate them because they're talentless. In fact, they're not completely talentless, and are pretty skilled at what they do.

I hate them because they're self-rightous pricks who have forgotten their duty to their fans.
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