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« on: July 18, 2006, 11:45:40 AM »
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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Hizbollah, which claims links to the Lebanese group of the same name, said on Tuesday it stood ready to attack Israeli and U.S. interests worldwide.

"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year," said Iranian Hizbollah's spokesman Mojtaba Bigdeli, speaking by telephone from the central seminary city of Qom.

"They have been trained and they can become fully armed. We are ready to dispatch them to every corner of the world to jeopardise Israel and America's interests. We are only waiting for the Supreme Leader's green light to take action. If America wants to ignite World War Three ... we welcome it," he said.

Iranian religious organisations have made great public show of recruiting volunteers for "martyrdom-seeking operations" in recent years, usually threatening U.S. interests in case of any attack against the Islamic Republic's nuclear programme.

But there is no record of an Iranian volunteer from these recruitment campaigns taking part in an attack.

Iran's Hizbollah (Party of God) says it is spiritually bound to Shi'ite Muslim guerrillas in Lebanon but its command structure and funding are unclear.

Despite Iranian Hizbollah's insistence that it takes orders from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, government ministries say Hizbollah does not implement official policy. Iran's government has said it hopes for a diplomatic solution to the Israeli offensive in Lebanon.

While Iran did fund and support Lebanese Hizbollah during the 1980s, Tehran says it has not contributed troops or weapons in the latest violence. Israel says Iranian armaments have been fired against it.
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So are the peacenicks going to say this one is our fault too and we shouldn't do anything about this? Sounds like we just got a direct public threat to America. (again)

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2006, 12:32:01 PM »
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"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year,"
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2006, 12:42:34 PM »
They are already saying it is Bush' fault for not paying more attention to the Israeli-Palestinian situation and because Iraq is a "quagmire."
Any idea when the first time Iraq was described as a quagmire in the media was?
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2006, 01:04:40 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2006, 06:09:47 PM »
Ah come on. The Hezbians are our friends {hurl}
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2006, 06:35:06 AM »
Those guys are pure t holy STUPID!

One of the big advantages that terrorist have over governments is that when they strike civilized folk don't know who to strike back at because it is difficult to pin their actions on a single government or group.

But the Hizbolah guys have just pointedly said to the world, "Hey World! Look here. We're operating out of Iran with the blessing of the Iranian government."

So now if the US does get hit by Hizbolah we've got all the excuse and proof we need to unleash hell on the second member of the axis of evil.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2006, 06:41:12 AM »
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with the blessing of the Iranian government
Was there something in the article that implied this or do you know this from some other source?
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2006, 06:48:33 AM »
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with the blessing of the Iranian government
Was there something in the article that implied this or do you know this from some other source?
Supreme Leader is the title of the highest ranking offical in Iran. As mentioned in the article Iran's Hizbollah is awaiting the supreme leader's order to attack.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2006, 10:34:18 AM »
Thanks for the explanation.  My skepticism is because Hizbollah says they are tied to the Iranian government, but the Iranians officially deny that.  My suspicion is that the truth is closer to the first than the second, but I was wondering if the Supreme Leader had publicly claimed Hizbollah as his own.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2006, 10:40:01 AM »
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with the blessing of the Iranian government
Was there something in the article that implied this or do you know this from some other source?
Supreme Leader is the title of the highest ranking offical in Iran. As mentioned in the article Iran's Hizbollah is awaiting the supreme leader's order to attack.

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Yeah, but that's only if the super-duper-supreme leader gives the okie dokie...

I say "bring it".

Better now than with a nuclear Iran, IMO. (And frankly this is why I think Iran will push it as far as they can go, but not far enough that they endanger thier nuclear program. And this'll fizzle out eventualy.) IMO, it almost sounds as if Hezbolah is trying to mouth off to force Iran give them the "okay" to save face...
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2006, 10:50:54 AM »
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Yeah, but that's only if the super-duper-supreme leader gives the okie dokie...

I say "bring it".

Better now than with a nuclear Iran, IMO. (And frankly this is why I think Iran will push it as far as they can go, but not far enough that they endanger thier nuclear program. And this'll fizzle out eventualy.) IMO, it almost sounds as if Hezbolah is trying to mouth off to force Iran give them the "okay" to save face...
I agree I think they are trying to force Iran to give them a heads up, or at least give the front if anyone f's with Iran that they will feel the sting of the Hizbollah (be like swatting a wasp nest at best). I wouldn't be surprised if Supreme Leader didn't thorow them a few bucks from time to time.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2006, 06:25:02 PM »
Ahhh.  The irony.  The Democrats (lefty Dems anywho) are now saying that Bush is to blame because he did not unilateraly enforce the UN's whateverthehelltheycallit # whatever that was to disarm Hezbolah after Israel left Lebanon.  This is out of the other side of their mouths that proclaimed "Bush lied, children died" because he commited America to semi-unilateraly enforce 18 or 23 UN whaterverthehellyhoucallits in Iraq.



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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2006, 06:47:24 PM »
Don't under estimate Iran and its nutjob leaders.  I can easily see hits on the US in the US.  I can see at least some originating from south of the border.  If it happens, Bush will have to respond against Iran then either resign or face impeachment.  The dood has played games with US security and if Americans die he needs to be held accountable.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2006, 09:39:30 PM »
Waitone is correct.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2006, 04:07:33 PM »
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Was there something in the article that implied this or do you know this from some other source?
Supreme Leader is the title of the highest ranking offical in Iran. As mentioned in the article Iran's Hizbollah is awaiting the supreme leader's order to attack.

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Yeah, but that's only if the super-duper-supreme leader gives the okie dokie...

I say "bring it".

Better now than with a nuclear Iran, IMO. (And frankly this is why I think Iran will push it as far as they can go, but not far enough that they endanger thier nuclear program. And this'll fizzle out eventualy.) IMO, it almost sounds as if Hezbolah is trying to mouth off to force Iran give them the "okay" to save face...
The Rahbar of Iran (or Supreme Leader) is the ranking political and religious leader in Iran.  He is also in charge of the Iranian military, which means Hizbollah isn't likely to cross him on his own turf.   If they pissed him off, there'd be public beheadings.  

Interestingly enough, he's got a website.   http://www.leader.ir/

But yea, I could see Hizbollah try to push the Iranian govt into getting seriously involved in Lebanon.   If the Iranians got seriously involved, Lebanon would get a lot more antiship and anti-aircraft missiles.    Heard a rumor that Iran has been doing a lot of UAV research.    Specifically, the Ababil-5 (a recon UAV), the Ababil-T (an attack UAV), and the Ababil-B/-S.   Anyone know much about the B and S models of the Ababil?  Or anything about the Mohajer-3/4 UAV's?
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2006, 04:41:21 PM »
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SPECIAL REPORT     07.20.2006

Red Alert: Hezbollah's Iranian Connection


Prior to the rise of the Shia in Iraq, Hezbollah -- as a radical *expletive deleted*it Islamist organization -- was Iran's main asset in the Arab world. In fact, it likely will continue to be used by Tehran as a key tool for furthering Iranian geopolitical interests in the region, until such time as *expletive deleted*it power has been consolidated in Baghdad and Iran's interests there secured.

In its earliest days, Hezbollah was a classic militant organization -- the creation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), the elite unit of the Iranian military. It was founded as a way to export the ideals of Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini's Islamic revolution to the *expletive deleted*it community of Lebanon, and served as a model for follow-on organizations (some even using the same name) in other Arab states. It did not take long, however, for Hezbollah to emerge in Lebanon as a guerrilla movement, whose fighters were trained in conventional military tactics.

In the mid-1980s, Iran's premier intelligence agency, the Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS), assumed the task of managing Tehran's militant assets -- not just in the Middle East but in other parts of the world as well. This allowed the Iranians, through a special unit within MOIS, to strike at Israeli interests in places as diverse as Latin America and Southeast Asia.

The relationship between MOIS and Hezbollah remains a subject worthy of study in light of the current situation in Lebanon. Of course, Iran has been Hezbollah's chief source of funding and weapons over the years, and the Iranians continue to supply extensive training in weapons, tactics, communications, surveillance and other methods to the militant wing of Hezbollah in Lebanon. The relationship is sufficiently close that the Hezbollah branch in Iran proper recently declared it would unleash militant attacks against Israelis and Americans around the world if given the order by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. (Tehran insists that Hezbollah is not an arm of official policy.)

We have previously discussed the possibility that Hezbollah might be moved to seize hostages or engage in other militant acts, given the pressure the Israelis now are bringing to bear. There is some question, of course, as to whether Iran might be involved in future militant operations -- and if so, what assets it might use and the modalities that would apply.

An Organizational Model

There is a division of labor of sorts in the way that Iran manages its foreign assets: The IRGC (which is led by a professional military officer with strong ideological credentials as an Islamist) oversees the Lebanese Hezbollah, while MOIS (which almost always is headed by a cleric) manages militant operatives and groups in other parts of the Muslim world -- Afghanistan, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, India. Moreover, MOIS also maintains contacts among the *expletive deleted*it immigrant populations in non-Muslim countries, including those in the West.

It also is important to note that radical *expletive deleted*it Islamist ideology is only one factor that shapes Tehran's decisions. Ethnicity and nationalism also play an important role in Iran's dealings with *expletive deleted*it allies of Arab, South Asian and other descent. The Persians claim a rich cultural heritage, which they view as superior to that of the Arabs. This attitude impacts the level of trust and cooperation between the Iranians and other *expletive deleted*it groups -- including Hezbollah -- when it comes to sensitive international operations. It is little wonder, then, that the Lebanese organization's sphere of operations does not extend much beyond the Levant.

It follows that Hezbollah is a useful tool for Iran in its dealings with Israel, but in few other areas. However, Iranian intelligence has cultivated numerous groups that can serve its interests in other parts of the world, and it maintains contact with these groups through MOIS operatives placed in diplomatic posts.

A History of Cooperation

Though it has been many years since Hezbollah carried out significant attacks beyond the Middle East, the participation of MOIS agents in some of those attacks is worthy of note. Investigations into the 1988 hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 422 out of Bangkok and two bombings in Buenos Aires -- in 1992 and 1994 -- both revealed involvement by MOIS, coordinating with local Hezbollah operatives. However, to provide plausible deniability, the hijacking and bomb teams were deployed from outside the targeted country; the assets in place were used to conduct preoperational surveillance on potential targets.

Up close, what this would mean is that the MOIS officer at the Iranian embassy in the target country or city would maintain close contact with the Hezbollah cells in his area or responsibility. Given the rules of intelligence work, an "official asset" like a diplomat is usually under suspicion and surveillance as an intelligence officer (or IO); therefore, less-prominent Hezbollah members can be used to case potential targets. In a situation where a MOIS agent is believed to be under such tight surveillance that he cannot function effectively, the Iranians might call on the services of a clandestine MOIS agent instead. In the case of the 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, the MOIS officer was the Iranian cultural attache, who oversaw the operation from the safety of his embassy office. The Argentines eventually declared seven embassy employees as "persona non grata" due to suspected connections to the bombing.

Upon receiving a "go" order for an operation -- such as assassinations of Iranian dissidents or the kidnappings of Western diplomatic and intelligence personnel (for instance, CIA station chief William F. Buckley in 1984 and U.S. Marine Lt. Col. William R. Higgins in 1988) -- activity levels at the embassy spike. The role of MOIS frequently would be to provide the cash or supply weapons or materials needed for an attack carried out by its "militant assets." In some countries, such as Britain (where Hezbollah bombed a Jewish charity in 1994), it can be difficult to obtain items like blasting caps and explosives; these can be supplied with the protection of a diplomatic pouch.

Many MOIS intelligence operatives have been educated in the United States or in Britain, wear nice suits, are multilingual and move easily in Western social circles -- unlike the IRGC operatives in Lebanon, who, socially speaking, are rougher around the edges. The combination of their brains and Hezbollah's willingness to pursue martyrdom can produce highly formidable capabilities.

With Hezbollah under attack in Lebanon and Iran unable to send significant reinforcements, there is some possibility that Hezbollah might resort to staging an attack abroad as a way of countering the Israeli assault. If so, it is highly likely that operatives already are on the move; the organization has been known to use "off the shelf" operational plans in the past, and its targeting information and surveillance would need to be updated -- regardless of whether an order to strike is actually issued. It is reasonable to believe that Hezbollah would find it advantageous to coordinate with MOIS again, as in past operations. Whether the Iranians would see events through the same lens, however, is much less clear. Tehran might cooperate in an attack only if it is willing to seriously escalate the current conflict in the Middle East -- which, given its many interests in the region, does not appear so far to be the case.
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2006, 08:44:24 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2006, 11:23:17 PM »
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"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year,"
One of the most notable and legitimate terrorist organization and they have had a whole 2,000 volunteers step up in the last two years? That seems pretty underwhelming.

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2006, 03:46:38 AM »
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it is spiritually bound to Shi'ite Muslim guerrillas in Lebanon
So will they attack us before they slaughter the Sunni, Kurds, and women who might be exposing their hands, or after?
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