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Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« on: February 01, 2013, 02:38:44 PM »
Check out the top of this link:

http://www.blueguns.com/default.asp

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Glock has recently issued a New Contract with Ring's Manufacturing Inc. (BLUEGUNS) to manufacture Glock Blueguns as we have been doing for the past 10 years. This new contract states that Glock restricts the sale of Glock Blueguns to the Public. We are restricted to selling Glock Blueguns to the Police, Military, Trainers, Police Distributors, or Holster Manufacturers. We ask that our customers abide by these rules and refrain from offering Glock Blueguns to the Public on the Internet, Publications or General Catalogs. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your support.

I am curious what the reaction in the general gun community will be to this one. This might be enough for some people who are already sick of dealing with the latest reliability problems to look for another option.  I carry a Glock nearly everyday, but I am under no illusion that they would ever be a staunch RKBA advocate. 

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 02:49:04 PM »
I'm trying to wrap my head around why this would even be a change Glock would make.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 02:51:59 PM »
What does this accomplish? How is limiting access to a training safety tool good for safety, PR, or anything else? It's only plausible as a precursor to restricting "civilian" firearm sales.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 02:52:33 PM »
That is bizarre.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 02:56:19 PM »
Yeah...  the logic behind this escapes me as well.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 02:56:56 PM »
Maybe this: http://www.glockforum.com/forum/f11/blue-gun-17984/index2.html

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Not sure if he was talking about Blue label or blue training guns. I qualify for Blue label guns and own a blue training gun Glock 17T, which fires a Simunition round. They are very hard to find because they are supposed to be sold to law enforcement agencies only. They are made by Glock and can be converted to shoot live ammunition, hence the restriction from Glock. I bought mine NIB and it transfers like any firearm and is registered in 9mm. You can find them both new and used if you look. They are rare. You may only find a handful for sale across the US at any given time.

ETA: Or maybe something similar.

ETA2:  Looks like this went down before all the current issues: http://forum.pafoa.org/training-tactics-competition-107/185148-glock-doesnt-want-you-training-your-own-anymore-page-3.html
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 03:01:41 PM »
Maybe this: http://www.glockforum.com/forum/f11/blue-gun-17984/index2.html

Yeah, but I don't think blueguns.com sells the blue frames intended for Simunitions or live guns of any sort - blue label or not.  They sell inert chunks of plastic.
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Ring’s Manufacturing crafts the most detailed, accurate and extensive line of “Firearm Simulators” on the market today. All of our products are inert detailed replicas of actual weapons designed for Law Enforcement and Military Training.

Each product is made with strong, impact-resistant polyurethane with steel reinforcement. This prevents bending and flexing while maintaining the detail, handling and balance of the actual weapon they represent.

Each gun is fabricated in "Law Enforcement Blue" - the most recognized safety color
in the world. Ask for “BLUEGUNS ", a realistic & safe alternative to using live firearms in training situations.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 03:04:00 PM »
I still wonder how this kinda stuff doesn't get through their heads.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 03:06:51 PM »
Is this ONLY in the US, or internationally? I read recently that Mexico has a major problem with toy guns that people paint to look real. Not sure how easy is it is to get blue guns in other countries, but maybe Glock is taking part in some "stop toy gun violence" push or something.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 03:09:23 PM »
I'm thinking there's some sort of market advantage Glock perceives, but I can't for the life of me think what it is.

Blue guns used in holster manufacture as molds? Trying to set up a network of "preferred" holster makers?

I can't imagine there's any concern over unrestricted teaching of disarmament/retention techniques. Having your exact service/carry weapon is helpful, but any old gun-shaped object will do.

They don't shoot, don't even have any moving parts, so there's no conceivable way they dilute actual Glock sales.

The only thing I can think of is that the vast majority of blue-gun sales are to LEO's/LEA's for training anyway, so there's little real risk of alienating the "civilian market" and there's any number of products, like Remington shotgun folding stocks, certain lines of ammo that are marked or restricted to "Law Enforcement Use Only" even though there's no legal regulation mandating as such, simply to increase their "panache" in those markets.  ;/

Few groups/people are above something that "makes them feel speshul", which is dumb of course, but it works.

Is this ONLY in the US, or internationally? I read recently that Mexico has a major problem with toy guns that people paint to look real. Not sure how easy is it is to get blue guns in other countries, but maybe Glock is taking part in some "stop toy gun violence" push or something.

With the ubiquity of 1:1 Airsoft replicas from Asia, that have more realism, are often cheaper than the blue gunssuch as actual bores, functioning slides etc., I can't imagine why someone would go through the trouble to paint a blue gun for crime or intimidation purposes.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 03:12:29 PM »
Yeah, but I don't think blueguns.com sells the blue frames intended for Simunitions or live guns of any sort - blue label or not.  They sell inert chunks of plastic.

Exactly.  The simunition-type training guns are made by Glock and have been restricted for a long time.  In this case, the Ring manufacturing guns are just big blocks of plastic intended to fit in your holster for CQB or retention/disarm type practice. Ring is licensed by Glock to make the inert replicas.

My wild speculation is that Glock has been pressured by a city where they have a big contract (like NYC) to make some moves that make them look like a "responsible manufacturer."  

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 03:23:19 PM »
There have been a few other odd moves that Glock has made since their new MArketing'sales manager has taken over. 

They have been redrawing the lines concerning where certain Blue Label dealers can sell, and without warning they discontinued their LE pricing for GSSF member Glock armorers.  The armorer thing ticked me and several others off, as many justified spending $195 on the one-day class with the fact that one could get 2 Blue-label Glocks at LE pricing.  It remians to be seen if their "Glock ID" social network will amount to anything useful. 
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 06:08:30 PM »
Makes me wonder if they are taking steps to try and gain advantage with the current administration, seeking leverage with government contracts, especially with the military considering a new sidearm...
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 06:10:58 PM »
Makes me wonder if they are taking steps to try and gain advantage with the current administration, seeking leverage with government contracts, especially with the military considering a new sidearm...
We are talking about a third party contract to produce inert guns - not sure how restricting that gives them any advantage anywhere.

This is so strange, the only two possibilities that make any sense to me are:
1. Legal boilerplate carried over from another contract and misapplied on accident.
2. The first step in a larger scheme of restrictions.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 06:16:40 PM »
Well I would loudly declare that I'll never buy another Glock, but the trigger that feels like dragging a dead body over a gravel road did that.

So.....uh......ARRRGH! Bad Glock!

Seriously though Glock the company has never struck me as particularly great in terms of ethos, so no real surprise.

I'm in the camp that they are trying to curry favor with some  .gov agency.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2013, 06:32:00 PM »

Well, they slogan to which the aspire, is already taken by HK.

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So they'll have to come up with something else.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2013, 06:35:24 PM »
Sense - this makes absolutely none. At all. ???
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2013, 06:37:55 PM »

Sense - this makes absolutely none. At all. ???



 =D

Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to decode it.

Failing that, go to Correia's site and search for the phrase.


Oh, and gratuitous HK backwards-mag-load pic . . .
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2013, 06:47:34 PM »
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2013, 07:14:56 PM »

Okay, the promised "decode posse" has not arrived, so here's a link or two clarifying the origins of the
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thing.

Here's Larry's writeup.

And here are a couple of posters.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2013, 07:28:08 PM »

 =D

Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to decode it.

Failing that, go to Correia's site and search for the phrase.


I was referring to Glock's decision regarding the blue guns. Like...wut? ??? Why? ???


Okay, the promised "decode posse" has not arrived, so here's a link or two clarifying the origins of thething.

Here's Larry's writeup.

And here are a couple of posters.
Already read those. Many of the comments are pure comedy gold.
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 07:39:23 PM »
We need to start an APS blue gun company
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2013, 10:54:56 PM »
We need to start an APS blue gun company

But even an APS bluegun company would have to contract to make replicas of Glock's proprietary products.  So we'd get caught in the same trap.

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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 11:00:37 PM »
We need to start an APS blue gun company

The blueguns people already beat us to making a replica of the official APS gun: 

 
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Re: Glock wants to restrict Blue Gun sales
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2013, 01:02:48 AM »

 =D

Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to decode it.

Failing that, go to Correia's site and search for the phrase.


Oh, and gratuitous HK backwards-mag-load pic . . .


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