Author Topic: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP  (Read 10983 times)

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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2013, 02:49:05 PM »
1. Define "didn't know at all", what level of knowing someone you'd require personally, and if you think that would have prevented this.

2. Define mental issues. And depends on the circumstances.

And as to the qouted sentence, any time you try to help someone else with ptsd there are risks. Doesn't make it a mistake. And it doesn't mean that the guy wouldn't have shot him and stolen his truck if he'd just been stopping by to "get to know" him prior to more activities.
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2013, 02:53:08 PM »
I will say that the interchanges here are really making me ponder as to how does one get to know someone sufficiently to trust them with a firearm.  Much food for thought here for me.
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2013, 02:54:44 PM »
Since I've already repeatedly alluded to my parameters, why don't you define the conditions in which YOU would not feel comfortable taking someone to the range?

I don't know about you, But I call any situation in which I am shot to death and my truck stolen from me to be a mistake
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2013, 02:56:06 PM »
To number one, I'd say one should at least know someone well enough to know if they've made violent threats against their family that resulted in a police encounter...
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2013, 03:06:28 PM »
Alluded to is not the same as defined. "I'd just get to know him, and then I'd be able to TELL!" is silly.

And really!?!?!?! Any violent crime victim has made a mistake? Guy gets mugged, must've made a mistake. Woman gets raped, must have made a mistake. Etc. Wow...

I'm also saying that the solutions that you propose very likely wouldn't have prevented this. If you think hanging out and chatting with a guy and/or his family for a few hours will inevitably lead to their revealing the unvarnished truth about their most embarrassing incidents you're delusional.

"Well, he has been drinking too much since he got back from Iraq. He got a DUI and he's got a bad temper when he's drunk." Oh hey look, exactly what virtually every single person with ptsd issues is like, and how their family would describe it to a famous stranger offering to help. Would that have given you foresight to be able to know he'd rob you?

I go to public ranges, so in a very real sense every time I shoot I'm "at the range with people I know nothing about." I wouldn't take anyone I knew to be a drug addict, or an unreformed violent criminal but then I wouldn't knowingly do anything with those sort of folks. I've met people at ranges before where all I knew about them was that they had a rifle I wanted to buy.

Bad things happen. We can't always prevent them, and saying "Anything something bad happens it must be because the victim screwed up" is, again, just... wow.

To number one, I'd say one should at least know someone well enough to know if they've made violent threats against their family that resulted in a police encounter...

Which you'd find out how again?
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2013, 03:06:54 PM »

I'm still having trouble working up a scenario in which sumdood is able to take out not one, but two, armed dudes at a range.

BOTH of his companions were in Condition White?

How does that happen?  I mean, okay, here we are at the range, and we know that the guy we're helping is not 100% compos mentis and we don't take any precautions to watch each other's backs?

I just find that . . . bordering on absurd.

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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2013, 03:13:10 PM »
Thanks, balog, for confirming that you haven't been reading what I've been writing.

You can feel free to keep throwing ridicule, though. It helps your case


Many violent crime victims make mistakes that help contribute to their deaths. It doesn't mean we are assigning blame.

Folks who die in bad areas who are not armed. Do we not frequently say "they should have been armed?"

You've never said something like that?
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2013, 03:22:19 PM »
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I don't know about you, But I call any situation in which I am shot to death and my truck stolen from me to be a mistake


And really!?!?!?! Any violent crime victim has made a mistake? Guy gets mugged, must've made a mistake. Woman gets raped, must have made a mistake. Etc. Wow...


You're right, there's obviously no way I'm reading and comprehending what you're saying. Only possible explanation.
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Re: Chris Kyle "American Sniper" RIP
« Reply #83 on: February 07, 2013, 03:23:50 PM »
Ok enough.
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