Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil

[Ron]

I hope there weren't any hostages in there.

acceptable collateral damage

[LadySmith]

Breaking News: No body was found in the burning cabin.
The cabin is still too hot for authorities to enter.
All previous reports that Dorner is dead are false at this time.

This is per Fox News live in CA.

[Perd Hapley]

Breaking News: No body was found in the burning cabin.

   Now that would be funny.

[Perd Hapley]

News story says a body was removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-body-removed-cabin-fugitive-cop/story?id=18480021

[slingshot]

My suspicion is that there is a body and it has been removed.  But the fire is still too hot to do much "police work" until it cools down.

Is this the same kind of ending as the Branch Dividians south of Waco?  The difference is that Dorner has apparantly committed the crimes he is accused of.

[Fitz]

News story says a body was removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-body-removed-cabin-fugitive-cop/story?id=18480021

LAPD issued a statement refuting the abc story

[Fitz]

My suspicion is that there is a body and it has been removed.  But the fire is still too hot to do much "police work" until it cools down.

Is this the same kind of ending as the Branch Dividians south of Waco?  The difference is that Dorner has apparantly committed the crimes he is accused of.

I wonder what would happen if a family member of the people the cops shot chased a few cops into a cabin then lit it on fire.

I'm sure it would go the same for them. Right?


Right?


... Guys?

[AZRedhawk44]

I hope dorner is still alive.  Not that i care much about him.  He's just doing the best job in the world that anyone could do short of ragnar danjeskold of showing how brutish and stupid government jackboot agents can truly be.  The longer the public sees it, the more the state has to build webs of lies and justifications to buy itself excuses, until it runs out.

[Blakenzy]

He certainly has that effect.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

You do realized he killed two non LE citizens dont you? In addition to the two cops he killed and one he critically wounded?

Oh and yeah I have a revulsion for murderers which he was, and I count LEOs who stand with us on 2A matters as my allies.

You're reading too much into it. I'm just using it and similar comments as a barometer of the logistical practicality of a revolution. In order to work, a revolution requires a significant element of the population to simultaneously: 1) support the cause 2) hate the enemy (and the footsoldiers supporting the enemy). If they don't hate the enemy, they'll have a really tough time understanding why somebody would feel the need to shoot that enemy, just like the average pro-lifer is going to be horrified by an abortion clinic bomber, and would very likely drop a dime on 'em.

P.S. If this post makes absolutely no sense, it's probably the fever talking.

[seeker_two]

LAPD issued a statement refuting the abc story

Why would LAPD issue a statement about a San Bernadino Sheriff's Dept. op?....

Meanwhile..... http://dailycurrant.com/2013/02/12/police-shoot-jazz-band-members-dorner-manhunt/

[Regolith]

Meanwhile..... http://dailycurrant.com/2013/02/12/police-shoot-jazz-band-members-dorner-manhunt/

You almost got me with that one. First time I've seen anything from The Daily Currant.

[geronimotwo]

a news blurb said dorner torched the cabin himself, when he tried to use a smoke grenade for concealment.   

i never cared whether it was citizens, or citizens in uniform that he killed. murder is murder.  however, i wasn't there and would have been interested in the outcome of a trial.

[brimic]

 
Why do I get the impression that a lot of things happening lately could be false flag operations?
We have had over the last year several instances of way over the top violence, where the perp(s) simply more or less disappeared afterwards, incredibly inconsistant media reporting followed by a scrubbing of original reports, .gov sharpening their knives to carve up the rest of our civil rights (2nd amendment, using drones)....

[/tinfoil]

[Ron]

CBS reported he was using a .50 cal during the final gunfight.

They implied Dorner started the fire then offed himself.

We will never know what really happened and with Dorner being such a bad guy nobody will care.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the negligent shootings the police engaged in where they attacked innocent people. Probably big payoffs, little to no disciplinary action and a media blackout on that aspect.

It does seem that there are more folks having psychological breaks and taking up arms. Maybe if I get rid of my guns I'll be safer.

[TechMan]

CBS reported he was using a .50 cal during the final gunfight.

They implied Dorner started the fire then offed himself.

We will never know what really happened and with Dorner being such a bad guy nobody will care.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the negligent shootings the police engaged in where they attacked innocent people. Probably big payoffs, little to no disciplinary action and a media blackout on that aspect.

It does seem that there are more folks having psychological breaks and taking up arms. Maybe if I get rid of my guns I'll be safer.

Yes you would be safer.  Send them to me and I will care for them. 

[Tallpine]

They implied Dorner started the fire

Where did we hear that before ... 

[cordex]

Where did we hear that before ... 

Billy Joel?

[roo_ster]

The real Dorner question: Not why was he fired, but why was he hired?

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-real-dorner-question-not-why-was-he.html

As usual, the opposite question from the one being obsessed over in the media seems more worthy of investigation: Why was this highly defective individual hired in the first place? Why did the LAPD, which is big enough to afford the most sophisticated screening processes, ever give this man a badge and a gun?

Obviously, if Nidal Hasan could become a major in the army despite expressing terrorist sympathies and communicating with known terrorists, then this clown could easily slip into the police academy.

Notice that this LAPD washout still has an incredibly high sense of self esteem despite being a total failure in life. He is a monster of the Left's creation and there are literally millions like him. They are more dangerous than any white supremacist with an AR 15.

[Boomhauer]

CBS reported he was using a .50 cal during the final gunfight.

Well when you're actively shooting at the cops they don't just stand on their perimiter taking hits, they are going to do something about it. Like try to gas you out.

This ain't no Waco, despite how some desperately want it to be 

The real Dorner question: Not why was he fired, but why was he hired?

I'll tell you the reason. Affirmative action, baby. It's a wonderful thing! It's what got my idiot boss hired with no experience for an advanced position over several highly qualified men...HR loves to overrule on hiring decisions like that. It is a MAJOR problem in today's society.

[longeyes]

Affirmative action is the ultimate assault weapon.

[RoadKingLarry]

Why do I get the impression that a lot of things happening lately could be false flag operations?
We have had over the last year several instances of way over the top violence, where the perp(s) simply more or less disappeared afterwards, incredibly inconsistant media reporting followed by a scrubbing of original reports, .gov sharpening their knives to carve up the rest of our civil rights (2nd amendment, using drones)....

[/tinfoil]

It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work, they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30 million people here, and they all just let themselves die.

[cordex]

Well when you're actively shooting at the cops they don't just stand on their perimiter taking hits, they are going to do something about it. Like try to gas you out.

This ain't no Waco, despite how some desperately want it to be 

I totally agree, however:
1. Tear gas deployed against a structure leading to fire seems to happen an awful lot.  It may just be selection bias, but it feels like it is intentionally used in some cases as an incendiary weapon.
2. I have a strong aversion to law enforcement using fire as a weapon.  Even in situations where I feel a hail of gunfire would be an appropriate response (as seems to be the case here), cops burning someone out feels wrong.  Maybe my concern is because fire is indiscriminate and could easily kill innocents.  Maybe it is because being burned alive scares me in a deep, animal way.  Maybe it just reminds me of the George Washington quote about fire and government.  Whatever the case, if police are using tear gas to intentionally torch structures - even if they are pretty sure the only person in the structure is someone who needs killing - I think they are in the wrong.

[Boomhauer]

Tear gas deployed against a structure leading to fire

It's the nature of the gas cannister.

[Nick1911]

I totally agree, however:
1. Tear gas deployed against a structure leading to fire seems to happen an awful lot.  It may just be selection bias, but it feels like it is intentionally used in some cases as an incendiary weapon.
2. I have a strong aversion to law enforcement using fire as a weapon.  Even in situations where I feel a hail of gunfire would be an appropriate response (as seems to be the case here), cops burning someone out feels wrong.  Maybe my concern is because fire is indiscriminate and could easily kill innocents.  Maybe it is because being burned alive scares me in a deep, animal way.  Maybe it just reminds me of the George Washington quote about fire and government.  Whatever the case, if police are using tear gas to intentionally torch structures - even if they are pretty sure the only person in the structure is someone who needs killing - I think they are in the wrong.

Agreed.  Setting a structure ablaze is deploying an indiscriminate weapon.

At what point will law enforcement be able to simply level a building with an airstrike/mortars/artillery because there might be someone in there who is too dangerous?

"Be sure of your target, and what's beyond it."