Senators strike deal on background checks

[Ben]

I've heard different interpretations of this phrasing. We'll have to see the bill, I guess.

Sorry, we have to pass it to see what's in it. /Pelosi

[Fitz]

Doesn't matter what's in it, no more compromises

Go read lawdogs post on compromise.

Our cake is getting quite small, and every time they want to compromise they take a little more

[MicroBalrog]

Doesn't matter what's in it, no more compromises

Go read lawdogs post on compromise.

Our cake is getting quite small, and every time they want to compromise they take a little more

So don't you want to take some back?

[TechMan]

So don't you want to take some back?

Not at what they want to trade for.  No way.  Add that to the fact that we really don't know what it says.  NO *expletive deleted*ing Way.

[bedlamite]

Not at what they want to trade for.  No way.  Add that to the fact that we really don't know what it says.  NO *expletive deleted* Way.

QFT.

[Tallpine]

This is either a purely for show law that does essentially nothing (bans things that are already illegal) or a dangerous fuzzy law where you can never be sure what is legal and what is not.

What if you meet your friend or family at a gunshow?   

[SteveS]

We'll have to see the bill, I guess.

But...outrage based on speculation is so much more fun.  I will admit that I am skeptical, but has anyone noticed that GOA has their usual sky is falling, ZOMG, call your Senators press release? 

I am perfectly willing to get outraged, but like people from Missouri, I need to see it first.

[makattak]

But...outrage based on speculation is so much more fun.  I will admit that I am skeptical, but has anyone noticed that GOA has their usual sky is falling, ZOMG, call your Senators press release?  

I am perfectly willing to get outraged, but like people from Missouri, I need to see it first.

Related to this, apparently Missouri isn't just the "Show me" state, but is also the "Show the Feds" state:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/highway-patrol-gave-feds-missouri-weapon-permits-data/article_266b644e-a235-11e2-a8e7-0019bb30f31a.html

(THIS is why we don't want governments having records. Because, even if it's illegal to share them, as it was in this case, they'll do it anyway and with impunity.)

[Perd Hapley]

Related to this, apparently Missouri isn't just the "Show me" state, but is also the "Show the Feds" state:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/highway-patrol-gave-feds-missouri-weapon-permits-data/article_266b644e-a235-11e2-a8e7-0019bb30f31a.html

(THIS is why we don't want governments having records. Because, even if it's illegal to share them, as it was in this case, they'll do it anyway and with impunity.)

I found out about that last night, and it makes me wonder how many other states have done the same. I presume the FBI asked all the other states as well. Also, this would seem to violate Missouri law. Does it violate federal law? Not that that would matter in the age of Obama.

[Balog]

But...outrage based on speculation is so much more fun.  I will admit that I am skeptical, but has anyone noticed that GOA has their usual sky is falling, ZOMG, call your Senators press release? 

I am perfectly willing to get outraged, but like people from Missouri, I need to see it first.

Do you honestly believe a new gun control bill will work out in our favor?

[Tallpine]

Do you honestly believe a new gun control bill will work out in our favor?

Not really 

Although, being able to buy a handgun legally in other states might sorta begin to convince me that I really am a US citizen 

[Nick1911]

(THIS is why we don't want governments having records. Because, even if it's illegal to share them, as it was in this case, they'll do it anyway and with impunity.)

I had a related conversation the other day.  I remarked about something or another I was concerned about the government doing, to which my friend cried "But, they CAN'T do that!  It's illegal!" 

Heh.  What a silly statement.  That, even if illegal on paper, it actually matters.  The feds aren't being held accountable for their actions; so "illegal" is just a word - it has no meaning if it has no teeth behind it.

[TechMan]

Crap: Sixteen Republicans split with their party leaders and voted Thursday to end the GOP filibuster of gun control legislation and begin what will be a contentious Senate debate on the issue

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-how-senators-voted-89950.html#ixzz2QAfgCJLW

Two Democrats split with their party: Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark Pryor.

The 16 GOP senators that voted to end debate were:
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee;
Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire;
Richard Burr of North Carolina;
Saxby Chambliss of Georgia;
Tom Coburn of Oklahoma;
Susan Collins of Maine;
Bob Corker of Tennessee;
Jeff Flake of Arizona;
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina;
John Hoeven of North Dakota;
Johnny Isakson of Georgia;
Dean Heller of Nevada;
Mark Kirk of Illinois;
John McCain of Arizona;
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania;
Roger Wicker of Mississippi.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-how-senators-voted-89950.html#ixzz2QAfmtnFj

[Balog]

WHAT. THE. F***?!?!

Chambliss, Coburn, and Flake were supposeed to be on our side, those bastards.

[makattak]

WHAT. THE. F***?!?!

Chambliss, Coburn, and Flake were supposeed to be on our side, those bastards.

Yeah, my thoughts too. UNLESS the Stupid Party does something intelligent like add a poison-pill amendment, I am absolutely shocked at this betrayal.

(Note, I expect betrayal to be FAR MORE LIKELY than the Stupid Party doing something intelligent.)

[Balog]

I imagine they'll add a poison pill amendment, then pass it anyway when the critters don't read the bill and realize what's in it.

[roo_ster]

Crap: Sixteen Republicans split with their party leaders and voted Thursday to end the GOP filibuster of gun control legislation and begin what will be a contentious Senate debate on the issue

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-how-senators-voted-89950.html#ixzz2QAfgCJLW

Two Democrats split with their party: Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark Pryor.

The 16 GOP senators that voted to end debate were:
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee;
Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire;
Richard Burr of North Carolina;
Saxby Chambliss of Georgia;
Tom Coburn of Oklahoma;
Susan Collins of Maine;
Bob Corker of Tennessee;
Jeff Flake of Arizona;
Lindsey Graham of South Carolina;
John Hoeven of North Dakota;
Johnny Isakson of Georgia;
Dean Heller of Nevada;
Mark Kirk of Illinois;
John McCain of Arizona;
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania;
Roger Wicker of Mississippi.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-how-senators-voted-89950.html#ixzz2QAfmtnFj

That painful sensation between your shoulder blades is, indeed, a knife.

Hilarious thing is, the polls have turned around on this one, so that more gun control is the less popular position.   I expect a similar betrayal on illegal immigration.

[Gewehr98]

This thing still has to make it through the House though, right?

[Balog]

This thing still has to make it through the House though, right?

Hasn't made it out of the Senate as I understand it, this was a cloture vote not passing the law. Still horrific.

Anyone know what these backstabbing sonsofbitches are saying to explain their treason?

[Balog]

Coburn sold us out.

For instance, I’ll propose a consumer portal that would facilitate access to the NICS database at not just gun shows but for virtually all private sales.

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/rightnow?ContentRecord_id=96ff8706-580f-4e71-b139-17c4b0802f50

[TechMan]

Hasn't made it out of the Senate as I understand it, this was a cloture vote not passing the law. Still horrific.

Anyone know what these backstabbing sonsofbitches are saying to explain their treason?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-joe-manchin-bridges-gun-control-divide-to-pave-way-for-expanded-laws/2013/04/10/3353ef42-a1fd-11e2-be47-b44febada3a8_story_1.html

[Gewehr98]

It gets more interesting as time goes on.

http://dcclothesline.com/2013/04/10/stockman-to-use-blue-slip-to-kill-manchin-toomey-scheme-deliver-u-haul-gift-cards-to-democrats-who-vote-in-favor/

[Balog]

Every single one of these cowards needs to get primaried next election cycle. All sixteen.

[TechMan]

Every single one of these cowards needs to get primaried next election cycle. All sixteen.

You would hope that happens, but I don't think it will.

[Balog]

I'm not super optimistic, but there has been a lot more Tea Party inspired runs at incumbents from the right the last couple election cycles.