Rep. Israel Promotes Expansion of Undetectable Firearms Act

[DustinD]

Rep. Israel Promotes Expansion of Undetectable Firearms Act.

We knew he would, the bill has been posted: HR1474 It also bans home made plastic magazines, and home made plastic lower receivers.

Forbes has a good article about it, DefCAD has a good discussion with analysis.

More analysis from a group that worked with Israel to draft the bill: www.publicknowledge.org/blog

Last time it passed by a voice vote, and unanimous consent. It better not go that way this time.

The www.examiner.com has a good article concerning how this is the NRA's opportunity to more fully debunk the "industry shill" meme. It also references a lot of other well researched articles on the issue.

Israel's web page links to tons of articles about this issue.

While I am at it, another good article on why gun control failed. I guess these are everywhere, but here it is anyway. http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/dear-democratic-gun-control-lobby-how-to-get-better/

Edit to add: It now has two co-sponsors  http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/1474/cosponsors?q=hr1474

[kgbsquirrel]

I'm thinking of something for him to do. It includes the orifice of a rodent burrow, repeatedly applied blunt force and unlimited quantities of finely divided silicate material.

[DustinD]

It gets worse. Rep Israel's bill will require magazine manufactures to get manufacturing FFL's or use an once of metal in their magazine's body.

        (C) any ammunition magazine, manufactured by a person who is not a licensed manufacturer--

            `(i) that, after removal of the spring and follower, is not as detectable as the Magazine Security Exemplar, by walk-through metal detectors calibrated and operated to detect the Magazine Security Exemplar; or

            `(ii) which, when subjected to inspection by the types of x-ray machines commonly used at airports, does not generate an image that accurately depicts the shape of the magazine.';

Law enforcement officials should have the power to stop high-capacity magazines from proliferating with a Google search.

He does later back pedal on his internet crackdown stance, but how does he hope for this to even appear to be enforceable to the laymen without doing just that?

http://www.examiner.com/article/rep-israel-s-undetectable-magazine-ban-requires-new-licensing-bureaucracy has the story.

[AZRedhawk44]

Will not comply.

[Jamisjockey]

Sounds like a direct attack on mag-pul to me.....

[dogmush]

This would push me into buying/building a 3D printer. And maybe just leaving plastic may bodies around with a sign that says"Free to good home".

[Tallpine]

So little plastic thingies with no moving parts are dangerous 

What if you just made some perforated lids for them and call them back-pocket salt and pepper shakers 

[DustinD]

One thing I hate is that there is no reference for how "does not generate an image that accurately depicts the shape of the magazine." would be interpreted. Would the different plastic in the windows and other features count against PMags, or others?

This gets a lot worse for firearms due to the circular logic of "looks like a firearm." Only established firearms count, and how do you establish something new as looking like a firearm if you can't legally make it in the first place? I doubt this would hinder traditional looking rifles, shotguns, or pistols, but what about a home made P90 esk firearm, any of the many 10/22 exotic bodies, a functional movie or video game type reproduction, or any new sub-gun because their looks are all over the place. Any plastic parts, or variations in material could be construed as hiding its true shape from x-ray.

[Perd Hapley]

This would push me into buying/building a 3D printer. And maybe just leaving plastic may bodies around with a sign that says"Free to good home".

I think it would be just grand, if "high-capacity" magazines just started appearing in the mailboxes of Colorado and New York residents. Especially Mr. Bloomberg's mailbox.

[kgbsquirrel]

I think it would be just grand, if "high-capacity" magazines just started appearing in the mailboxes of Colorado and New York residents. Especially Mr. Bloomberg's mailbox.

Bloomberg would make the search for the Unabomber look like a relaxed and casual Easter egg hunt.

[DustinD]

They have produced the first 3D printed plastic firearm.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/03/this-is-the-worlds-first-entirely-3d-printed-gun-photos/

From Forbes article's comments: I wonder how TSA feels about this?
Response: They don’t, they only feel you up, not about things.

[AJ Dual]

Just threw them $25. 

[HankB]

Saw film of Chuckie Schumer this morning having the vapors about 3D printed guns and proposing legislation to make them illegal . . .

[Tallpine]

Saw film of Chuckie Schumer this morning having the vapors about 3D printed guns and proposing legislation to make them illegal . . .

But how are they going to find them