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cassandra and sara's daddy

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It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2013, 04:15:24 PM »
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In preparation for a 2016 presidential run, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is courting evangelical leaders. And we all know what that means! It's time to throw those hedonistic, libertine, drug-obsessed libertarians under the bus.

One wonders what J. Gresham Machen would have said.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2013, 07:25:02 PM »
I'm wondering if Rand Paul has read Larkin Rose's The Iron Web.

In some ways, the junior Paul is a lot like Obama.  Highly ambitious, extremely inexperienced, his political beliefs poorly staked out by a brief and unremarkable voting record.

Libertarians and Constitutionalists could ask for a better trojan horse... but they probably wouldn't get one.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 10:18:06 PM »
I'm not getting that latent evil vibe from Ron the Younger. 

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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2013, 10:20:34 PM »
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In preparation for a 2016 presidential run, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is courting evangelical leaders. And we all know what that means! It's time to throw those hedonistic, libertine, drug-obsessed libertarians under the bus.

Yeah, 'cause no politician would ever cater (or pander) to more than one interest group.  ;/
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2013, 10:30:50 PM »
Yeah, 'cause no politician would ever cater (or pander) to more than one interest group.  ;/

There's a lot more long-e* evangelicals to curry favor with than self conscious libertarians.

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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2013, 10:36:05 PM »
It remains to be seen whether he will be able to reap the benefits of his betrayal.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 11:06:28 PM »
It remains to be seen whether he will be able to reap the benefits of his betrayal.

Who did he betray?
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2013, 02:24:24 AM »
Internet libertarian administrators of the ideological purity test.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2013, 04:42:46 AM »
Bah. I wrote a post yesterday and I thought it'd posted here.

Something is wonky in the forums. Or my computer perhaps.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2013, 11:00:43 AM »
Internet libertarian administrators of the ideological purity test.

Not hard to run afoul of them.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2013, 11:57:22 AM »
There's a lot more long-e* evangelicals to curry favor with than self conscious libertarians.

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Or, you could just be from the south where we also eat EYE-talian food.
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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2013, 07:23:39 PM »
Praise Jesus...pass thee joint.

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Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 01:31:37 AM »
So as I tried to post before:

There had been - at the least - unspoken assumptions that Rand Paul's campaign did not dispel before, and in practice - cultivated actively, that Rand Paul was a slightly more moderate Ron Paul.

This is clearly untrue.

There's a vast gap not merely of degree, but of principle and substance, between Rand Paul and libertarianism - clearly Rand Paul is not a libertarian, not even a libertarian-conservative like his father.

He is, at best, a conservative with some libertarian leanings.

Certainly I would - were I an American of the appropriate age - vote for him in a primary race (unless someone better turns up).

But his candidacy now represents, at best, a gradual improvement over the status quo, not - as Ron Paul's would - a severe wound to it.

Whether this will lose him more votes than it gains is an open question. Perhaps not.

But elections are not merely won by a sheer quantity of voters. Voter enthusiasm translates into donations and volunteering hours.

It is not clear that this move made him any more 'electable' than he was a week ago. I suspect not.
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