Obama and the IRS

[Monkeyleg]

Benghazi....  I'm fed up.  It was election time and the White House and his Party conspired to control the release of information, public opinion and reduce impact to the election.

It was more than that. I'm almost certain. I firmly believe that Obama made a conscious decision to NOT send aid to the consulate, as a firefight would have ensued, and he would have to explain why we were having a firefight with protestors. It would have come to light that there were elements of al-Queda that launched a planned attack on the 9/11 anniversary.

I believe that Obama deliberately let those people die in order to not adversely affect his campaign.

It's my understanding that only the CIC can give the order for our planes to enter the airspace of a sovereign nation. Therefore, any stand down orders to the planes in Italy or in the Gulf would have been the result of Obama saying "no". Or would someone lower on the food chain give stand down orders that might countermand what the Commander in Chief wanted, whether or not they knew what the CIC wanted?

It's also my understanding, and this is only what I've read, that the order to stand down given to our special forces in Tripoli would have to come from the very top, meaning Obama.

[SADShooter]

It was more than that. I'm almost certain. I firmly believe that Obama made a conscious decision to NOT send aid to the consulate, as a firefight would have ensued, and he would have to explain why we were having a firefight with protestors. It would have come to light that there were elements of al-Queda that launched a planned attack on the 9/11 anniversary.

I believe that Obama deliberately let those people die in order to not adversely affect his campaign.

It's my understanding that only the CIC can give the order for our planes to enter the airspace of a sovereign nation. Therefore, any stand down orders to the planes in Italy or in the Gulf would have been the result of Obama saying "no". Or would someone lower on the food chain give stand down orders that might countermand what the Commander in Chief wanted, whether or not they knew what the CIC wanted?

It's also my understanding, and this is only what I've read, that the order to stand down given to our special forces in Tripoli would have to come from the very top, meaning Obama.

Which brings us back to the paradox: there is no record/evidence thus far provided of his movements or communication that night after the initial briefing. So:

If he gave the order, why?

If he did not give the order, why not?

If he gave an order which was not carried out (the story so far), why not?

We still do not know the correct question, much less the answer.

[Tallpine]

Big 0 captured OBL all by himself, but didn't have anything to do with Benghazi   

[Perd Hapley]

Big 0 captured OBL all by himself, but didn't have anything to do with Benghazi  

I believe the old proverb has it that success hath a thousand fathers, but failure is Bush's fault.

[Monkeyleg]

Which brings us back to the paradox: there is no record/evidence thus far provided of his movements or communication that night after the initial briefing.

The White House talking point on the Sunday morning talk shows was that where Obama was is irrelevant. That's pretty much all they've got to offer.

[SADShooter]

The White House talking point on the Sunday morning talk shows was that where Obama was is irrelevant. That's pretty much all they've got to offer.

Yeah. Dan Pfeiffer tried to peddle that on Fox News Sunday, et al. I'm not buying it.

[Waitone]

My guess is that History will state that the US constitutional republic died a long time before now.

My point exactly.  Obama's contribution to our constitutional demise is that of tearing down all the constitutional bunting.  We no longer have all the trappings of a constitutional republic.  Both parties and their enablers inflicted damage that only became evident with Obama. 

[Harold Tuttle]

[RocketMan]

Don't worry, in a few more weeks it will all be a distant, forgotten memory.  On to the next crisis on your favorite reality show.

[RoadKingLarry]

What difference does it matter now?- Hillary Clinton, first woman president.

[Tallpine]

Now Max Baucus is criticizing the IRS behaviour 

WTF   First he votes against gun control and now this  ... is he changing parties?   

I'm almost starting to like the SOB.

[slingshot]

Don't worry, in a few more weeks it will all be a distant, forgotten memory.  On to the next crisis on your favorite reality show.

The Press has already stepped past Fast and Furious.  The more time that passes the more these things are forgotten.  We just changed one word to the State Departments statement about Benghazi.... yeah, right.

It started with Fast & Furious.  Then Benghazi, then the IRS and "patriot groups", then the AP....  What's next?  It took the AP story for any Democrats to start raising questions about what is and has been going on.  But, Obama gave the direct order to take out OBL, but not to try and save the Embassy people.  Now of course they are trying to protect Hillary Clinton.  There is a bad smell associated with this presidency.  People thought Nixon was bad... in my opinion taken as a whole it makes Nixon into a great president.

As more information comes out, I expect the "I word" to be more discussed and not just by the far right.

[Poper]

in my opinion taken as a whole it makes Nixon into a great president.

That's not funny.

May be this will assist in the assessment of the Nixon-Obama comparison:

Will no one stand up for Richard Nixon? Richard Nixon was a combat veteran, a staunch and brave anti-Communist, a man who took on the liberal establishment and at times his own party's as well, a leader who often thought for himself and had the courage of his convictions, a president who assembled a first-rate Cabinet and one who—while flawed both in character and in policy judgment—usually tried to confront the real problems and deal with challenges of his times. Richard Nixon led neither the country nor his own administration from behind.

Source:  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/he-s-no-nixon_728610.html

JMMHO,

Poper

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

it gets better  lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress

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[SADShooter]

it gets better  lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress

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To questions regarding her job and possible malfeasance? Cause for termination & forfeiture of benefits, with or without criminal prosecution.

[roo_ster]

it gets better  lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress

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The sheep dip must be deep.

[cordex]

Cause for termination & forfeiture of benefits, with or without criminal prosecution.

That'll never happen.

[SADShooter]

That'll never happen.

Harsh my fantasy mellow in two posts. Thanks.

You're right, of course.

[Scout26]

it gets better  lerner? lady in charge who planted question? is taking the 5th in front of congress

Can I do that when I'm audited by the IRS?  I mean if she can do that in front of Congress (although she is one of my "betters") then I, as a lowly peon, should be a able to do that with a lowly IRS agent, right?   I keep hearing from them that it's a "voluntary" system.
 

[Ben]

I don't even care about her that much at this point. Is she likely guilty of something, potentially criminal? I bet she is. But the fact that she's now taking the 5th, and she was the face of the IRS apology, to me means she's being scapegoated (or promised something) and there are MUCH bigger fish to fry. The investigation committee should be spending less time on her and more time on tracking down the big smelly fish.

[Scout26]

And the lying continues.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/21/white-house-treasury-discussed-revealing-irs-probe/

Despite the preliminary strategy sessions between the White House and Treasury, Mr. Carney repeatedly said the White House did not know or approve of the Internal Revenue Service’s eventual plan: to plant a question at a panel discussion attended by a key IRS official.

But he acknowledged that Mark Childress, the White House deputy chief of staff, twice spoke with Treasury Department officials about the best way to let the public know that conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status had been singled out for special scrutiny and sometimes invasive questioning.

See boys and girls, that's the problem with lying.  Once you tell a lie, then you have to tell another one to cover that lie.  And then another lie one to cover that one, and so on, until you've told so many lies that don't know what lies you've told and finally all of your lies catch up to you when the truth comes out (and it will).

[RocketMan]

Heard on a talking head show yesterday while driving (Rush?  I forget perzactly who as I don't generally listen to those programs anymore.) that the reason this is coming out now is so it will all be over and forgotten by the 2014 elections.  That made a certain sense, especially given the machinations of this administration.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

seems lerner as a manager in the fec filed suit against a christian group in the 90's     and lost
payback time

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[Scout26]

And Fast and Furious is making a comeback.  Seems the US Attorney for AZ was leaking derogatory information about the F&F whistleblower to Fox News(!?!?) in violation of federal law.  He facing sanctions from the AZ Bar.  Why he's not facing criminal charges is beyond me. 


Oh wait.  He's Holder's buddy.  My bad. 

[brimic]

The fact that there aren't hundreds of .gov employees hanging from light poles shows that Americans are a remarkably patient people.