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Airplane makes belly landing
« on: May 18, 2013, 08:06:39 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326538/Terrified-passengers-escape-alive-US-Airways-flight-makes-belly-landing-Newark-airport-landing-gear-failed.html

Landing gear failure, so pilot lands on the belly.

Question:  Wouldn't they pre-emptively hose the runway with foam rather than wait for the plane to land and then hit it with foam?

Video footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqJfGTCb7M8

That's a lot of sparks.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 09:11:50 PM »
If they pre-foamed it, it might have slid much further.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2013, 09:16:32 PM »
They only do that for unconscious, suspended jumpers. 


(You'd think they have the emergency vehicles already lining the taxiways.)
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2013, 10:13:54 PM »
They've gotten away from foaming the runways over the last decade or so.

Dunno if it has to do with cost per gallon, difficulty of cleanup for aircraft arriving afterwards, crash trucks slipping all over the place, EPA concerns, whatever.

We had a nose gear problem on the WC-135 once, no down and locked indicator, and when executing the boldface checklist we discussed the foam issue or lack thereof.

We ended up flying by the tower, and the ATC folks verified gear down for us. 

Discussion regarding foam here:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/324486/
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2013, 10:49:24 PM »
Prefoaming doesnt really do a whole lot plus depletes the foam available for firefighting. Also gear up landings tend to be noneventful so foaming the runway is a waste.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2013, 11:31:45 PM »
Quote from: Boomhauer on May 18, 2013, 10:49:24 PM
Also gear up landings tend to be noneventful so foaming the runway is a waste.

I bet they are pretty damn exciting for those folks in the airplane.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 07:21:13 AM »
Well, at least the Daily Mail didn't over-hype the story with phrases like "terrified passengers escape alive," "dramatic shower of sparks" and "quick-thinking pilot."

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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 07:23:05 AM »
Quote from: Boomhauer on May 18, 2013, 10:49:24 PM
Prefoaming doesnt really do a whole lot plus depletes the foam available for firefighting. Also gear up landings tend to be noneventful so foaming the runway is a waste.

This.

BTDT.  Standard foaming hasn't been used since the nineties.  

Quote from: scout26 on May 18, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
They only do that for unconscious, suspended jumpers. 


(You'd think they have the emergency vehicles already lining the taxiways.)

They should.   There are certain requirements for timed response, that require staging the ARFF trucks along the runway.  Usually a few at each end and a few midfield.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 01:21:43 PM »
The problem with staging emergency vehicles is that sometimes planes don't stay on the runway after landing.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 01:32:53 PM »
Quote from: Fly320s on May 19, 2013, 01:21:43 PM
The problem with staging emergency vehicles is that sometimes planes don't stay on the runway after landing.

True.  Haven't had a belly landing in ages.  I'd be unsurprised if vehicles were kept a little further back in case the aircraft slides off the runway.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 01:56:45 PM »
I've skipped ahead to several spots in the video, but haven't seen any plane landing. Where is it?
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 03:51:01 PM »
Quote from: fistful on May 19, 2013, 01:56:45 PM
I've skipped ahead to several spots in the video, but haven't seen any plane landing. Where is it?

I saw it but the vid is from very far away so all you can see is the aircraft lights coming in for a landing.
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2013, 04:26:46 PM »
Foam is expensive.

They could just have the plane fly in low over the fire truck and spray the bottom  =D
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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2013, 04:32:34 PM »
Line the runway with attorneys?

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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2013, 04:35:28 PM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on May 19, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
Line the runway with attorneys?

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Re: Airplane makes belly landing
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2013, 04:41:52 PM »
Quote from: Tallpine on May 19, 2013, 04:35:28 PM
And Realtors  :P

I see what you did there...  =D

Besides, Realtors wouldn't work.  Too greasy.

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2013, 08:39:32 PM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on May 19, 2013, 04:41:52 PM
I see what you did there...  =D

Besides, Realtors wouldn't work.  Too greasy.

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