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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM »
congress?  i was asking for help finding the supreme court ruling he referred to

on gets "invited" to speak at legislative hearings
he got uninvited
he could still go outside say anything he wanted
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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2013, 03:25:16 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 21, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
congress?  i was asking for help finding the supreme court ruling he referred to

on gets "invited" to speak at legislative hearings
he got uninvited
he could still go outside say anything he wanted


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2013, 03:26:22 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 21, 2013, 01:03:45 PM
when you get invited to speak in that type of forum you need to know the rules.  he handled their booting him well.
its like a forum  when they boot you your first amendment rights are not violated

An internet forum is privately owned. The GOVERNMENT, under the constitution, MUST guarantee your right to be heard.
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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2013, 03:33:15 PM »
Quote from: Tallpine on May 21, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

so you can't find that ruling either?
i liked what he said too.  but as soon as he got warned "stay on the bill" he screwed up arguing with the chair.  it gave them all they needed to have him removed

he'd have been wiser not to rise to the bait and continue his remarks
perhaps he learned for next time
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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2013, 03:40:10 PM »
Here you go.

1st Amendment Incorporation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York


Specific Right to Petition for Redress of Grievances:

Incorporation is suggested in Edwards v. South Carolina, 372 U.S. 229 (1963) and is essentially the basis of Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620 (1996).


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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2013, 03:42:27 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on May 21, 2013, 03:40:10 PM
Here you go.



Right to petition for redress of grievances:

Incorporation is suggested in Edwards v. South Carolina, 372 U.S. 229 (1963) and is essentially the basis of Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620 (1996).




and how do you envision that applying here?
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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2013, 04:35:28 PM »
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Re: Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2013, 05:22:20 PM »
so then you acknowledge his first amendment right was not violated?

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Re: Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2013, 05:25:30 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 21, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
so then you acknowledge his first amendment right was not violated?

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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2013, 05:31:53 PM »
As am I, Tallpine.

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Re: Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2013, 07:12:47 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 21, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
so then you acknowledge his first amendment right was not violated?

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How was it not violated?
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Re: Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2013, 07:15:51 PM »
his right to speak was not infringed. his right to speak there after being ruled out of order did/does not exist.  he was free however to talk in the hall the parking lot in his car on the way home.

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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2013, 07:42:06 PM »
Which qualifies as "petitioning the government...", how again?
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Re: Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2013, 07:44:07 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 21, 2013, 07:15:51 PM
his right to speak was not infringed. his right to speak there after being ruled out of order did/does not exist.  he was free however to talk in the hall the parking lot in his car on the way home.

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Are you sure about that? Have they been designated 1st amendment zones? :facepalm:
So all the opposing side has to do is rule you out of order and you are no longer allowed to present your views on the bill that is being discussed? I don't think the 1st amendment said you are only allowed to present your views as long as the ones in control agree with them. What exactly did he say that was so out of order that he was required to leave?

"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech,...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

I rewatched the video again, I am finding it really hard to find out where he gets loud. Does get the crazy lady eyes going though. Are you talking about the part where he says, "I am on the bill, and I will be heard."? That is the only part where his voice gets more assertive, but certainly not loud or shouting or anything.

What does he say after the guy says, "You are out of order and I will ask you to leave."?
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Re: No right to free speech in NJ
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2013, 08:19:38 PM »
The LEO doing the ejecting does have a spiffy uniform though.
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