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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2013, 04:29:44 PM »
Did they sell better if they had rimmed in the name?
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2013, 06:05:09 PM »
What about British flanged rounds?
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2013, 07:14:23 PM »
I am disappoint. What do we have Mike Irwin for, if not to get all crabby about idiots doing stupid stuff?

Amateurs can do that, but you really want the expert.
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2013, 08:33:51 PM »
Dare I ask what your opinion is on the Kynoch "Flanged" rounds I have?   =D

Although, rimless (non-flanged) is more often than not implied...
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2013, 08:54:25 PM »
The simple fact is that the R designation exists in European nomenclature because there are a lot of rounds that have both rimmed and rimless counterparts.

These are, of course, primarily sporting rounds, but some, such as the 7.92x57 and 7.92x57R or the 7x57 and 7x57R, have done double duty as both military and sporting rounds.

For rounds for which there is no rimless counterpart, the R is often still included just as an additional identifier even though it's not absolutely necessary.


"Dare I ask what your opinion is on the Kynoch "Flanged" rounds I have?"

Well, if you truly want my opinion, they're flanged.



As for the 6.5x53R, well, in Europe there WAS a rimless 6.5x53, a short-lived military cartridge called the Daudeteau, which was used for a short time by the Lee Navy.


It gets more confusing when there are multiple cartridges of the same nominal caliber, case length, and both are rimmed.

8x50mmR and 8x50mmR.

Which one is the Siamese round and which one is the Lebel?

That's when the final part of the identification comes in -- the generally accepted name, either Siamese or Lebel.



Semi-rimless... That term came about for a peculiar reason... Rimless cases are always assumed to headspace on the case shoulder. Rimmed cartridges are assumed to headspace on the rim.

But there are a few cartridges that have discernible rims, such as the .225 Winchester, that were designed so as to headspace on the case shoulder. That's why they're called semi-rimmed...
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2013, 09:00:09 PM »
Finally, let me tell you a little story about how nomenclature (no matter what system you choose) DOES matter...

In 1895 Winchester brought out the .30 Winchester Center Fire, a rimmed cartridge that rather quickly became known as the .30-30, primarily due to companies either wanting to chamber (or provide ammo for) the round, but not wanting to stamp .30 WCF on their guns.

About 10 years later Remington introduces their lineup of rimless cartridges in the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 semi-automatic.

For the first few years, Remington stamped the rifles, and marked boxes of ammo.... .30-30 Remington.

This caused no small amount of confusion as people were continually asking for ammo for their gun and getting the wrong stuff.

Around 1910-1912 Remington finally saw the light and dropped the -30 from both the markings on the Model 8 and in their ammunition line up, unless it was on boxes of rimmed cartridges suitable for use in lever action rifles.
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2013, 09:25:02 PM »
I actually have a couple boxes of .30-30 Remington.

I got them with a spare .30 Remington barrel for my (Mike's by inheritance) early Remington Model 8, which I've left in .32 Remington.

I inherited several hundred pieces of NIB .32 Remington brass, and the gun works great with cast bullets intended for 8mm, so I never swapped it over as planned.

Remington was riding the popularity of the .30-30 Winchester, and since the .30 Remington (Rimless) round was the ballistic twin of the former, they felt entitled, I guess...

I should chamber a drilling or double rifle in a Flanged R cartridge of my design, just to screw with people!   =D
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 11:17:27 PM »
Googling Kynoch flanged magnums...

What exactly constitutes the "flange"?  I can't quite figure it out.  ???

Or is it just their designation for Rimmed?
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2013, 07:24:46 AM »
What a stupid flanging question.
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Re: NRA writer standards?
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2013, 12:13:37 PM »
AJ, you are correct.

Hence my joke about making a "Flanged R" round.   =D
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